Bringing up weak body parts via Widowmakers. - Page 3

**Doggcrapp** · 08-20-2008, 04:57 PM

Scott that machine i saw you post is close but i dont know how those arms swing--they look like they might swing out too far and cause you to roll your chest forward---id have to try it out but it looks kind of close

**Doggcrapp** · 08-20-2008, 04:58 PM

To be honest with you Jerzey--it doesnt work well on either of those--it will work better on an old school pec deck from the 80's better than those 2 machines

GS67 · 08-20-2008, 05:00 PM

Fuckers, my gym doesn't have a pec deck. They have some free weight fly machine where you are flat on your back. Sumbitch!

**Doggcrapp** · 08-20-2008, 05:01 PM

Yea if you dont have a machine similiar to that or you have the machines that double as a rear delt exercise---it doesnt do the same thing (trust me others have tried)

Jerzey · 08-20-2008, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

To be honest with you Jerzey--it doesnt work well on either of those--it will work better on an old school pec deck from the 80's better than those 2 machines

So what do you suggest in my case then?

Low cable cross overs? maybe?

geese_com · 08-20-2008, 05:06 PM

awesome post Dante! I'd love to try it because I think I'm in the same boat as the original poster. However, my gym doesn't have anything similar to that machine.

Here's what we have: http://www.magnumfitness.com/templat...Chest&prod=284

that and some fly type machine (only with handles)

You have any tips for those types of machines?

Imprezivr6 · 08-20-2008, 05:07 PM

Thanks a bunch for the explanation.. I want to say i have that machine at my gym, but it may be a "bench press" machine i am thinking of that looks almost identical to that.

I know we have one of these. The radius on it is pretty tight compared to the ones posted above, with the handles, and the ones that double as a rear delt movement.
http://www.minnesotafitness.net/images/cclpecdec.jpg

geese_com · 08-20-2008, 05:08 PM

Jeez in the time it took for me to type my post, 5 more sprouted up.

Isn't something like this in the DC DVD?

Tyson23 · 08-20-2008, 05:12 PM

I believe i saw Wojo display this in the DC video. If not, is it possible to get a video clip of the proper form/technique of thise exercised? That would be awesome

Jerzey · 08-20-2008, 05:14 PM

Sitting at work in the desk leaning back in my chair and thinking of the line of force and way the move is done

What if i used the cable cross over at like a #5-6 and put an inclined bench in between the cables and went that way with it?

The cross over machine we have isnt very wide like other gyms use 2 stations bolted together

here is the one
http://gymratz.co.uk/weight-training...able.fsdap.jpg

If i place a incline bench so i get a stretch and use the right peg I should be good to go....?

dusty hanshaw · 08-20-2008, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerzey

I understand every word and would love to be the guinea pig

1 problem my gym got rid of that incline pec deck 4 years ago ..hell the only pec deck is in the girls gym

We have we machines that could almost put you at that incline but ones seated and ones standing I would have to lean on the pad..if that ok I will go with what you posted

we have this one
http://www.fitedge.ca/images/mfg/pow...E%20MOTION.jpg

and a little better this one
http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com...ductdetail.jpg

You will have trouble being a guinea pig since it has already been done. Trust me when I say that it works. I loved to hate these things.

**ScottMcDonough** · 08-20-2008, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Scott that machine i saw you post is close but i dont know how those arms swing--they look like they might swing out too far and cause you to roll your chest forward---id have to try it out but it looks kind of close

The one you posted is actually the one in my gym... I just picked the first one that came up on google since they looked close enough to each other. That post was up for like 10 seconds lol. Or can you see it because of your psychic mod skills?

**Doggcrapp** · 08-20-2008, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerzey

So what do you suggest in my case then?

Low cable cross overs? maybe?

Your SOL on that one Jerzey--its kind of like trying to get someone to do Reverse grip bench presses my way but they dont have a smith machine.

I thought you trained at San marcos 24 hour?

Jerzey · 08-20-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Your SOL on that one Jerzey--its kind of like trying to get someone to do Reverse grip bench presses my way but they dont have a smith machine.

I thought you trained at San marcos 24 hour?

Las Vegas NV Summerlin Golds Gym

Wonder way you thought that

esk221 · 08-20-2008, 05:33 PM

Sign me up. Old chest rotation in the trash. Thank you so much Dante, can't tell you how much I appreciate your input.

**Doggcrapp** · 08-20-2008, 06:08 PM

Remember ESK....im doing this to show you something--to prove something to you so in the future you know how to attack this problem as far as exercise selection

esk221 · 08-20-2008, 06:17 PM

I'm looking forward to the learning experience. Thanks again.

*spends $$$ @ trueprotein.com*

betito · 08-20-2008, 06:34 PM

I bet dolars to doughnuts that people who have prolems pushing with their chest will kiss their problems good bye after that 8 weeks, after this program they will probably feel every inch of a press like never before

Tyson23 · 08-20-2008, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

To be honest with you Jerzey--it doesnt work well on either of those--it will work better on an old school pec deck from the 80's better than those 2 machines

Dante, will the old school straight vertical pec deck be the next option, if this machine is not available? I feel like i've seen the mentioned machine in the gym, but not sure if it's exactly the one you have posted a pic of. Just want to see if old school is an option.

Thanks

**Doggcrapp** · 08-20-2008, 06:54 PM

The old school will work somewhat if you can raise the seat--you want to be pressing on the old school vertical machine so the pads are at or lower than your pec line

**Doggcrapp** · 08-20-2008, 06:59 PM

Some of you will figure out why i think exercise selection is so important about 30-60 minutes after your workout......these things sometimes lend themselves to some weird looking post workout pumps along the sternum.......I think alot of you will go in your bathroom mirror and think "what the hell is going on here?"

Ive heard from some of my local guys over the years (and Ive seen it with myself) about 15 times......youll see.....check the mirror when you get home especially if you really worked the "one onethousand, two onethousand stretch"......your inner pecs are not going to look like they normally do post workout pump...LOL

and no i really dont have an explanation for it

Tyson23 · 08-20-2008, 07:10 PM

This is great stuff Dante. My innter chest a long with my entire chest is by far my weakest body part...not sure if this applys to guys with only the problem the original poster had, but i am eager to give this a shot. Like you mentioned if your chest sucks as it is..what's 2-3 months of trying something new going to hurt? Thanks for taking th time to post this type of info.

Also, i checked out my DC dvd right when i got home and wojo does a very similiar movment, one differnce i noticed is i believe he was standing the entire movement and not sitting.

force245 · 08-20-2008, 08:14 PM

Damn Dante, stirring shit up. I can't wait to see what your post looks like in eight weeks... I'm glad I have a decent chest cause from the explanation I can feel the pain. Remind me not to come to you whining about my legs being sub-par or needing help. I would like to walk for eight weeks. Just kidding, I'm glutten for punishment.

HYPNOSIS 247 · 08-20-2008, 09:40 PM

Dante, could the one one thousand two one thousand stretch be applied to barbell or dumbell presses?

glennr2222 · 08-20-2008, 09:55 PM

Belly up to the table bra!

08-20-2008, 04:57 PM	#51
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,784	Scott that machine i saw you post is close but i dont know how those arms swing--they look like they might swing out too far and cause you to roll your chest forward---id have to try it out but it looks kind of close __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

08-20-2008, 04:58 PM	#52
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,784	To be honest with you Jerzey--it doesnt work well on either of those--it will work better on an old school pec deck from the 80's better than those 2 machines __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

08-20-2008, 05:00 PM	#53
GS67 Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: ALABAMA Posts: 307	Fuckers, my gym doesn't have a pec deck. They have some free weight fly machine where you are flat on your back. Sumbitch! __________________

08-20-2008, 05:01 PM	#54
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,784	Yea if you dont have a machine similiar to that or you have the machines that double as a rear delt exercise---it doesnt do the same thing (trust me others have tried) __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

08-20-2008, 05:06 PM	#56
geese_com Heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UW - La Crosse Posts: 2,102	awesome post Dante! I'd love to try it because I think I'm in the same boat as the original poster. However, my gym doesn't have anything similar to that machine. Here's what we have: http://www.magnumfitness.com/templat...Chest&prod=284 that and some fly type machine (only with handles) You have any tips for those types of machines? __________________ My DC journal: http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=25271 Use my TrueProtein Discount Code to get 5% of your TrueProtein order or 10% off an order of 16lbs or more! GJC546

08-20-2008, 05:07 PM	#57
Imprezivr6 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 103	Thanks a bunch for the explanation.. I want to say i have that machine at my gym, but it may be a "bench press" machine i am thinking of that looks almost identical to that. I know we have one of these. The radius on it is pretty tight compared to the ones posted above, with the handles, and the ones that double as a rear delt movement. http://www.minnesotafitness.net/images/cclpecdec.jpg __________________ Last edited by Imprezivr6 : 08-20-2008 at 05:12 PM.

08-20-2008, 05:08 PM	#58
geese_com Heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UW - La Crosse Posts: 2,102	Jeez in the time it took for me to type my post, 5 more sprouted up. Isn't something like this in the DC DVD? __________________ My DC journal: http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=25271 Use my TrueProtein Discount Code to get 5% of your TrueProtein order or 10% off an order of 16lbs or more! GJC546

08-20-2008, 05:12 PM	#59
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08-20-2008, 05:14 PM	#60
Jerzey Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 776	Sitting at work in the desk leaning back in my chair and thinking of the line of force and way the move is done What if i used the cable cross over at like a #5-6 and put an inclined bench in between the cables and went that way with it? The cross over machine we have isnt very wide like other gyms use 2 stations bolted together here is the one http://gymratz.co.uk/weight-training...able.fsdap.jpg If i place a incline bench so i get a stretch and use the right peg I should be good to go....? __________________ Discount code BDM999 By using Jerzey's code you will experience service that is unsurpassed, I take the guess work out of saving you money!

08-20-2008, 05:33 PM	#65
esk221 New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 43	Sign me up. Old chest rotation in the trash. Thank you so much Dante, can't tell you how much I appreciate your input. __________________

08-20-2008, 06:08 PM	#66
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,784	Remember ESK....im doing this to show you something--to prove something to you so in the future you know how to attack this problem as far as exercise selection __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

08-20-2008, 06:17 PM	#67
esk221 New Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 43	I'm looking forward to the learning experience. Thanks again. spends $$$ @ trueprotein.com __________________

08-20-2008, 06:34 PM	#68
betito Lightweight Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 469	I bet dolars to doughnuts that people who have prolems pushing with their chest will kiss their problems good bye after that 8 weeks, after this program they will probably feel every inch of a press like never before

08-20-2008, 06:54 PM	#70
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,784	The old school will work somewhat if you can raise the seat--you want to be pressing on the old school vertical machine so the pads are at or lower than your pec line __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

08-20-2008, 06:59 PM	#71
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,784	Some of you will figure out why i think exercise selection is so important about 30-60 minutes after your workout......these things sometimes lend themselves to some weird looking post workout pumps along the sternum.......I think alot of you will go in your bathroom mirror and think "what the hell is going on here?" Ive heard from some of my local guys over the years (and Ive seen it with myself) about 15 times......youll see.....check the mirror when you get home especially if you really worked the "one onethousand, two onethousand stretch"......your inner pecs are not going to look like they normally do post workout pump...LOL and no i really dont have an explanation for it __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com

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08-20-2008, 07:10 PM	#72
Tyson23 Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX Posts: 461	This is great stuff Dante. My innter chest a long with my entire chest is by far my weakest body part...not sure if this applys to guys with only the problem the original poster had, but i am eager to give this a shot. Like you mentioned if your chest sucks as it is..what's 2-3 months of trying something new going to hurt? Thanks for taking th time to post this type of info. Also, i checked out my DC dvd right when i got home and wojo does a very similiar movment, one differnce i noticed is i believe he was standing the entire movement and not sitting. __________________ Troponin Nutrition

08-20-2008, 08:14 PM	#73
force245 Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Alamogordo, NM Posts: 783	Damn Dante, stirring shit up. I can't wait to see what your post looks like in eight weeks... I'm glad I have a decent chest cause from the explanation I can feel the pain. Remind me not to come to you whining about my legs being sub-par or needing help. I would like to walk for eight weeks. Just kidding, I'm glutten for punishment. __________________ So i'm old and married with three kids, help a brother out and use my code at www.trueprotein.com]discount code FRC245 If you walk in a gym and your mindset is basically two railroad ties and a boxcar short of a trainwreck......

08-20-2008, 09:40 PM	#74
HYPNOSIS 247 Lightweight Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BFE Posts: 290	Dante, could the one one thousand two one thousand stretch be applied to barbell or dumbell presses? __________________ "Learning knowledge is an integral part of enlightenment because the more that you learn, the greater your paradigms of thoughts can be so you are not ignorant about the mechanism that you inhabit" -Ramtha

08-20-2008, 09:55 PM	#75
glennr2222 Middleweight Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 679	Belly up to the table bra!