betito

Look at the lateral raises Dexter Jackson does in this video. If you do this with a low cable you would stretch the side delt like crazy in the bottom of every rep (like the stretch Homonunculus explained). I think that high reps with slow controled negatives of this exercise (widowmaker style) would do wonders for advanced lifters who lack shoulder width
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LandryP

I think that widowmakers should be compound moves. I don't remember where, but I read that Dante prefers to take the move that added the most mass, and DESTROY IT.

but yeah those would torch the delts.

He looks like one week out. you can tell because he sounds like a zombie.

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Landry, If memory serves me correctly, the last post Dante made about bringing up weak shoulders involved a side lateral machine

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NovaZ

A weak bodypart widowmaker can be any type of movement as long as it fits two criteria that Dante has mentioned on more than one occasion.

And if it fits those two criteria, it doesnt matter if its an isolation (cybex lateral widow, pec deck push press) or compound (wide grip powerlifter elbow descent smith incline, high lat row).

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NitroDad

So would it be ok if you had some other body parts to bring up other than legs, to add a widowmaker to it?? Say Bi's or like you said shoulders???

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Absolutely not on the 2 way. That information is for advanced people training on the 3 way split.

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M Power

What do you guys think of using widows to bring up lagging sides? For example doing a lateral raise widow maker with just my left side since my left shoulder is noticeably smaller than my right. Same with my pecs just the smaller pec in the on right

NitroDad

Ok thanks Scott just thought I would ask!!! Thanks again!!

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RockDiesel

can I just widowmaker my whole body?

on a more serious note, I have a feeling this thread is going to turn into a clusterfuck about widowmaker this, and widowmaker that, pretty soon.

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kroxic

It could work but I think you would have to be damn disciplined to keep doing it progressively without breaking form.

In my opinion it seems like its just way to hard to do a shoulder raise movement with your arm all the way extended. To me it boils down to an isolation movement where you have to have a lot of other muscles holding just right from your legs/hips to your biceps. Doing raises on a machine like Dante has posted kind of takes that guesswork out of it and really takes away your options for cheating

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3-style

May i have a link to Dantes words on Weak shoulders please.

Thanks,

K

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NovaZ

I agree. And there is a reason why the exercise wouldnt really work as a 3-Way weak bodypart Widow, but its easier just to not get into it.

Evidence to show that people who shouldnt be doing weak bodypart widows shouldnt be posting threads about weak bodypart widows, especially when the information on them in general isnt something widely talked about.

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betito

I don´t do the 3-way split, is just that this exercise came to my mind and i thought:"Why don´t share it?"

NovaZ

Not trying to be a dick, but why dont share it? Because you dont know.

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wakejump4me

Nova,

not trying to be a dick either , but i think you misunderstood ! when this exercise (lateral raises in that video) came to Betitos mind he was asking himself '' oh , why not share it with the people so that the guys on the 3 way have another exercise to bring up weak parts and i also get another topic started ''
i am pretty sure that this was how its meant .

wake

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ScottMcDonough

I se what you are saying Wake and I agree that was like his intenetion... but it's hard for someone who

A) isn't that advanced(no offense betito I'm not either) and
B) judging by his exercise choice doesn't entirely grasp the concept for what widowmakers require

give suggestions to people on an widowmaker exercise. Dante made a post recently about the ability to "F'ing grind it out" or something to that effect with widow exercises... that exercises is foo foo pump stuff as far as I'm concerned and doesn't fit the protocol.

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NovaZ

I understand and maybe I need to clarify myself better.

Those lateral raises, from what I understand of the weak bodypart widows on the 3-Way (even though I am not on the 3-Way split, just an avid reader of Dante's writing), is not neccessarily the most efficient of weak bodypart widows.

For one, weak bodypart widows are emphasized by the ability to be able to grind out reps and be able to progress in weight quickly over time. That move, in my opinion is too strict to fit that criteria.

On top of that, the 3-Way widows are something that are intentionally not common knowledge around here because they are specific to the person and NOT something the average person should be doing.

So if Dante, SuperD, Homon etc etc arent giving out information on non Quad widowmakers, why is Betito of all people doing it?

Think about it this way. Joe Noobie reads this post, sees the person in Betito's avatar (who isnt Betito, but a rather unknown 'high' level bodybuilder) assumes its Betito, and thinks "Wow look at those delts in his avatar, this must be the secret widowmaker movement."

When in fact, it is not.

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wakejump4me

yes , agreed on all accounts . just thought he was being misunderstood

true too . but as you know , it will be unavoidable that this is not gonna happen anymore . there is always someone out there who thinks about something with the hopes that it hasn't been thought off .

wake

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betito

I posted this idea to get opinions like this:
not to be judged (i´m not that important)

Any new idea+opinions of the guys in the dogg pound=we all learn

Any new idea+let´s judge the guy who posted it=nobody gets nothing positive.

NovaZ

If such was the case, why not have the thread go something like this...

"I was watching Dexter's fluff shoulder routine and saw something interesting in the way he does laterals. (Post link). For the advanced guys or guys who are familiar with the 3-Way do you think that would be a good weak bodypart widow?"

That post would lead to discussion and people saying, no it doesnt fit the mold and might lead to an informative thread. Instead you came in like "I think that high reps with slow controled negatives of this exercise (widowmaker style) would do wonders for advanced lifters who lack shoulder width" like you knew what you were talking about which opened yourself up for the judgment.

And this may just be me and I really dont mean to come off as an asshole, but I feel like you in particular, hide behind your avatar under the guise that it is you so that other posters give you that initial respect that you have built that physique, when you havent. Its different when someone has Dorian or Ronnie in their avatar as opposed to an amateur picture of someone only a select few knows.

Another example in addition to this thread was when you told people to try doing the standard biceps stretch but hanging like the back stretch. People see your avatar and are like wow I should try that. When the reality was, if the person has any substantial size to them, doing that variation is going to fuck their shit.

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sometimes you guys argue over the most miniscule things.

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