Artificial Sweetners - Page 2

bhman6 · 08-18-2008, 05:48 PM

Super D I understand your point being "why take the chance"...but the point can be made for about a billion of others things

you could say "eating meat could be worse for my health than being a vegan, so why take the chance" but you'd be hard pressed to find people dropping dead from the intelligent consumption of animal products or steering clear of them just to be on the safe side

tanning could, in theory increase your chances of skin cancer, but I bet you've (collective you, not YOU necessarily) have tanned for a show

**SuperD** · 08-18-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bhman6

Super D I understand your point being "why take the chance"...but the point can be made for about a billion of others things

you could say "eating meat could be worse for my health than being a vegan, so why take the chance" but you'd be hard pressed to find people dropping dead from the intelligent consumption of animal products or steering clear of them just to be on the safe side

tanning could, in theory increase your chances of skin cancer, but I bet you've (collective you, not YOU necessarily) have tanned for a show

Ben, I agree and I really am not the 'anti-artificial sweetner guy' by a long shot. It is, I believe, all about making informed decisions and each individual is going to have his own opinion on what is an acceptable 'risk factor' for any of those decisions.

Oh, I train a dermatologist and his argument that tanning causes cancer is pretty convincing but as I said like most things it is all personal decisions....

wakejump4me · 08-18-2008, 07:03 PM

i personally have never used artificial sweeteners when dieting down . so i can't really give my opinion . but when i don't diet i use them in my morning oatmeal

and love it

wake

bhman6 · 08-18-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperD

Ben, I agree and I really am not the 'anti-artificial sweetner guy' by a long shot. It is, I believe, all about making informed decisions and each individual is going to have his own opinion on what is an acceptable 'risk factor' for any of those decisions.

Oh, I train a dermatologist and his argument that tanning causes cancer is pretty convincing but as I said like most things it is all personal decisions....

I fully agree with that statement, and I want you to know I definately respect your opinion and I'm glad we disagree as it gets people thinking about stuff like this, which is good

when I'm not dieting I don't use them near as much simply because if I want my morning oatmeal to be sweet I'm gonna put some delicious honey or brown sugar in it, lol

with regards to tanning, I get heat rash pretty bad, burn pretty bad, and never get tan....so you won't catch me in a tanning bed regardless of the risk, haha

IronBrendan · 08-19-2008, 08:44 PM

Great thread.

I was expecting Eric to say he used them that much.

EBA84 · 08-19-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IronBrendan

Great thread.

I was expecting Eric to say he used them that much.

Am I that predictable? LOL

I use them less in the off season but still do use a lot then too.

bhman6 · 08-19-2008, 10:46 PM

when I'm in non-dieting mode I'll use a bunch of honey on anything I want sweet, or eat more fruit and things of that nature....although there is no substitute for an ice cold diet pepsi with a good warm meal

jesus rocks · 08-20-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bhman6

when I'm in non-dieting mode I'll use a bunch of honey on anything I want sweet, or eat more fruit and things of that nature....although there is no substitute for an ice cold diet pepsi with a good warm meal

wrongo dongo....diet mt. dew, definately an adequate substitute.

slyfox115 · 08-20-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jesus rocks

wrongo dongo....diet mt. dew, definately an adequate substitute.

I have been on three boards now and every post has been about Dt. Mt Dew. I may just send you a case of it to control the cravings

IronBrendan · 08-20-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by EBA84

Am I that predictable? LOL

I use them less in the off season but still do use a lot then too.

My bad. That was a typo. I meant it to say I WASN'T expecting Eric to say he used them that much.

jesus rocks · 08-21-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by slyfox115

I have been on three boards now and every post has been about Dt. Mt Dew. I may just send you a case of it to control the cravings

Im sittin here trying to figure out what 3rd board u speak of. LOL
Send me a case of the sweet nectar and you will be rewarded in the after life...JK

HYPNOSIS 247 · 08-21-2008, 01:34 PM

OK Ben, I'm going to give you all the proof you can handle. I dare you to do this. Go see Dr. Ming Je Huang, D.C. at the Integrative Chiropractic Clinic located at 2658 East Aurora Road Twinsburg, Ohio (330) 425-2477 When you go make sure you take samples of all the foods and supps you normally eat or drink. Now you may not be allergic to artificial sweeteners but that doesnt mean that they are safe to consume. Im not allergic to them but I still avoid them like the Plague.

bhman6 · 08-21-2008, 01:48 PM

why would a Chiropractor have any knowledge of artificial sweeteners, food allergies, etc.

didn't we already have this discussion like 2 years ago?

bhman6 · 08-21-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HYPNOSIS 247

Now you may not be allergic to artificial sweeteners but that doesnt mean that they are safe to consume

and how would that provide all the proof I need, lol

if a D.C.'s tests can't prove I'm allergic, then how is he/she going to be able to prove to me they're harmful

jesus rocks · 08-21-2008, 02:41 PM

better watch it ben, your about to get "all the proof you can handle"

kroxic · 08-21-2008, 03:03 PM

Here is something for u guys. When I take in aspartame. I get sick. I will get a sore throat if I drink more than on pack of arty sweetener that has aspartame as the sweetener. What now?

jesus rocks · 08-21-2008, 03:57 PM

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Here is something for u guys. When I take in aspartame. I get sick. I will get a sore throat if I drink more than on pack of arty sweetener that has aspartame as the sweetener. What now?

what do you mean what now? I drink diet coke by the boatload, put splenda on my pb, I haven't been sick in over a year. what now?

bhman6 · 08-21-2008, 04:13 PM

I twisted my balls 3 years ago....I hope it wasn't from aspartame

Sammich · 08-21-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bhman6

I twisted my balls 3 years ago....I hope it wasn't from aspartame

Yeah that was my bad

kroxic · 08-21-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jesus rocks

what do you mean what now? I drink diet coke by the boatload, put splenda on my pb, I haven't been sick in over a year. what now?

Its just what happens. I coudlnt figure out why i kept getting sick. I talked to my uncle and some other relatives who have the same problem. So thats enough reason for me to avoid it whenever possible.

HYPNOSIS 247 · 08-21-2008, 10:54 PM

Hey Ben, yeah we went back and forth on this a few months ago which is why I didbt post more but you asked for proof so I figured I would show you some. Sorry I was in a hurry and didnt make it clear what the chiro does. He uses Applied Kinesilogy (muscle testing) to diagnose various health problems and food allergies. And he can explain why you should still avoid aspartame whether your allergic or not. BUT like Ive said before this isnt just about what people choose to put in their body. Its about the government hiding the facts from us and therefore preventing you and me and your clients and everyone else from making their own choice about what to consume. If Aspartame is truly safe then explain why the big wigs at the FDA will go to thier grave before theyll approve the use of Stevia as a food additive. All Im saying is stop letting the FDA violate my right to informed consent. This country is supposed to be a Republic not a Democracy.

**SuperD** · 08-21-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HYPNOSIS 247

Sorry I was in a hurry and didnt make it clear what the chiro does. He uses Applied Kinesilogy (muscle testing) to diagnose various health problems and food allergies.

I have done a lot of research on the AK and actually have done my own studies testing the various artificial sweetners- Equal, Sweet & Low, Splenda, Stevia & sugar.

Stevia was the only one that repeatedly tested positively.

Just throwing that out there as you brought up AK.

HYPNOSIS 247 · 08-21-2008, 11:10 PM

Thanks SuperD! Im going to have to try and talk my chiro into giving me some hands on training cuz I tried to do a little testing myself and couldnt get it to work. But he said its like playing a piano. You have to develop the proper touch/feel for doing it. BTW, my chiro was one of Dr. John Diamonds students.

08-18-2008, 05:48 PM	#26
bhman6 Roundtable Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 5,366	Super D I understand your point being "why take the chance"...but the point can be made for about a billion of others things you could say "eating meat could be worse for my health than being a vegan, so why take the chance" but you'd be hard pressed to find people dropping dead from the intelligent consumption of animal products or steering clear of them just to be on the safe side tanning could, in theory increase your chances of skin cancer, but I bet you've (collective you, not YOU necessarily) have tanned for a show __________________ benhartman.com optimumnutrition.com americanbodybuilding.com rippedacademy.com proteinreport.com myspace.com/optimumnutrition myspace.com/americanbodybuilding facebook.com/group.php?gid=9788498452 facebook.com/group.php?gid=7805419287 "Force yourself out of your comfort zone. You can't grow and progress without challenge and pressure. A diamond without pressure is a piece of fucking coal."

08-18-2008, 07:03 PM	#28
wakejump4me The Specialist Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,325	i personally have never used artificial sweeteners when dieting down . so i can't really give my opinion . but when i don't diet i use them in my morning oatmeal and love it wake __________________ to save as much money as possible on all your orders from www.TrueProtein.com type AXW999 in the discountcode box Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. Vince Lombardi

08-19-2008, 08:44 PM	#30
IronBrendan Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: University of Florida Posts: 6,912	Great thread. I was expecting Eric to say he used them that much. __________________ "Intensity is finite, volume is finite, weights are infinite." - DC "Everyone seems to think having a strict diet is hardcore. Wrong! It’s so easy. There is no strain or effort. You just follow the damn diet! Hardcore is stuffing your face to the point where you feel like you’re going to pop and then going to get a milkshake." --Dave "Fuckin'" Tate Get 5% OFF at trueprotein.com with Discount Code: BTR777 Formerly El_Animal

08-19-2008, 10:46 PM	#32
bhman6 Roundtable Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 5,366	when I'm in non-dieting mode I'll use a bunch of honey on anything I want sweet, or eat more fruit and things of that nature....although there is no substitute for an ice cold diet pepsi with a good warm meal __________________ benhartman.com optimumnutrition.com americanbodybuilding.com rippedacademy.com proteinreport.com myspace.com/optimumnutrition myspace.com/americanbodybuilding facebook.com/group.php?gid=9788498452 facebook.com/group.php?gid=7805419287 "Force yourself out of your comfort zone. You can't grow and progress without challenge and pressure. A diamond without pressure is a piece of fucking coal."

08-21-2008, 01:34 PM	#37
HYPNOSIS 247 Lightweight Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BFE Posts: 291	OK Ben, I'm going to give you all the proof you can handle. I dare you to do this. Go see Dr. Ming Je Huang, D.C. at the Integrative Chiropractic Clinic located at 2658 East Aurora Road Twinsburg, Ohio (330) 425-2477 When you go make sure you take samples of all the foods and supps you normally eat or drink. Now you may not be allergic to artificial sweeteners but that doesnt mean that they are safe to consume. Im not allergic to them but I still avoid them like the Plague. __________________ "Learning knowledge is an integral part of enlightenment because the more that you learn, the greater your paradigms of thoughts can be so you are not ignorant about the mechanism that you inhabit" -Ramtha

08-21-2008, 01:48 PM	#38
bhman6 Roundtable Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 5,366	why would a Chiropractor have any knowledge of artificial sweeteners, food allergies, etc. didn't we already have this discussion like 2 years ago? __________________ benhartman.com optimumnutrition.com americanbodybuilding.com rippedacademy.com proteinreport.com myspace.com/optimumnutrition myspace.com/americanbodybuilding facebook.com/group.php?gid=9788498452 facebook.com/group.php?gid=7805419287 "Force yourself out of your comfort zone. You can't grow and progress without challenge and pressure. A diamond without pressure is a piece of fucking coal."

08-21-2008, 02:41 PM	#40
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08-21-2008, 03:03 PM	#41
kroxic Middleweight Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 701	Here is something for u guys. When I take in aspartame. I get sick. I will get a sore throat if I drink more than on pack of arty sweetener that has aspartame as the sweetener. What now? __________________ Trained and guided by the Banana My 2008 DC Offseason Journal Use the code ECH346 at the checkout www.TrueProtein.com and save 5% on your order

08-21-2008, 04:13 PM	#43
bhman6 Roundtable Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 5,366	I twisted my balls 3 years ago....I hope it wasn't from aspartame __________________ benhartman.com optimumnutrition.com americanbodybuilding.com rippedacademy.com proteinreport.com myspace.com/optimumnutrition myspace.com/americanbodybuilding facebook.com/group.php?gid=9788498452 facebook.com/group.php?gid=7805419287 "Force yourself out of your comfort zone. You can't grow and progress without challenge and pressure. A diamond without pressure is a piece of fucking coal."

08-21-2008, 10:54 PM	#46
HYPNOSIS 247 Lightweight Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BFE Posts: 291	Hey Ben, yeah we went back and forth on this a few months ago which is why I didbt post more but you asked for proof so I figured I would show you some. Sorry I was in a hurry and didnt make it clear what the chiro does. He uses Applied Kinesilogy (muscle testing) to diagnose various health problems and food allergies. And he can explain why you should still avoid aspartame whether your allergic or not. BUT like Ive said before this isnt just about what people choose to put in their body. Its about the government hiding the facts from us and therefore preventing you and me and your clients and everyone else from making their own choice about what to consume. If Aspartame is truly safe then explain why the big wigs at the FDA will go to thier grave before theyll approve the use of Stevia as a food additive. All Im saying is stop letting the FDA violate my right to informed consent. This country is supposed to be a Republic not a Democracy. __________________ "Learning knowledge is an integral part of enlightenment because the more that you learn, the greater your paradigms of thoughts can be so you are not ignorant about the mechanism that you inhabit" -Ramtha

08-21-2008, 11:10 PM	#48
HYPNOSIS 247 Lightweight Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: BFE Posts: 291	Thanks SuperD! Im going to have to try and talk my chiro into giving me some hands on training cuz I tried to do a little testing myself and couldnt get it to work. But he said its like playing a piano. You have to develop the proper touch/feel for doing it. BTW, my chiro was one of Dr. John Diamonds students. __________________ "Learning knowledge is an integral part of enlightenment because the more that you learn, the greater your paradigms of thoughts can be so you are not ignorant about the mechanism that you inhabit" -Ramtha

08-21-2008, 11:12 PM	#49
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