Some specific DC diet rules.

kanuki10 · 08-11-2008, 12:27 AM

After doing a good bit of researching I have concluded there are none. Seriously. None at all. Natta'.
And this is a good thing.
Diets tend to be very specific to the person, their traits and goals. But DC does have some general guidlines; such as carb cut-offs and protein/fat and protein/carb pairings. I wanted to delve a bit deeper into what I take from these and see if what people think of my conclusions, as well as disscus other points of view.
First carb-cut offs. I get to bed around 9:30. If I had a big dose of carbs at 5:30, even given the physical nature of my evening job as a security guard, I would worry about BF, so I get my last dose of carbs around 4:30. Which for me is an hour after the gym and right before work, so it works well. At 6:30 I usually have 9 ounces of broccoli, 4 ounces chicken and an ounce of almonds, prepared in a variety of ways. I count that as a P/F meal. But even then, that broc and almonds has carbs and even sugars. Still, they are generally "not counted". My last meal before bed is an ounce of walnuts and either a cup of LF cottage cheese or a casein shake + glut and BCAAs. Carbs are still there, but still, no one is going to confuse an once of walnuts with a cup of rice, despite having similar amounts of cals.
My real caveat is that earlier in the day I have always tended to have P/F/C meals and thought it was good. Like having eggs(P/F) whole wheat toast with peanut butter(C/F) and somtimes fruit, like an apple. I would venture it is a bad idea to mix "quick carbs" such as corn syrup and processed sugars with fats of any kind. One wants to digest quickly, one want to go slow, all sort of problems in large amounts. But "slow carbs" such as oatmeal and most fruits with fiber, are already going to digest slower, along with the fats pace, so I found it acceptable to pair them, at least earlier in the day. This at least works for me, but I would love to hear other opinions. I realize there are some grey areas. Such as FF milk. It has a good amount of sugar, but how do those digest? I personally don't know if milk is an alright source of protein after cut-off.
Also, if you need to eat, say, 330g of protein a day. Do you count ALL your sources, including veggies, beans, grains, etc? Or do you tend to only concern yourself with either animal derived or "whole" protein.
And another question further: if it is a bad idea to use whey in cooking, due to possible spoiling or denaturing, is soy powder a better option? How about soy powders in general? Are they always a "complete" source of protein?
Alot of topics, but still, at least I enjoy disscusing these points.

LayinLo · 08-13-2008, 10:39 AM

This should be a good discussion!

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Originally Posted by kanuki10

First carb-cut offs. I get to bed around 9:30. If I had a big dose of carbs at 5:30, even given the physical nature of my evening job as a security guard, I would worry about BF, so I get my last dose of carbs around 4:30. Which for me is an hour after the gym and right before work, so it works well. At 6:30 I usually have 9 ounces of broccoli, 4 ounces chicken and an ounce of almonds, prepared in a variety of ways. I count that as a P/F meal. But even then, that broc and almonds has carbs and even sugars. Still, they are generally "not counted". My last meal before bed is an ounce of walnuts and either a cup of LF cottage cheese or a casein shake + glut and BCAAs. Carbs are still there, but still, no one is going to confuse an once of walnuts with a cup of rice, despite having similar amounts of cals.
My real caveat is that earlier in the day I have always tended to have P/F/C meals and thought it was good. Like having eggs(P/F) whole wheat toast with peanut butter(C/F) and somtimes fruit, like an apple. I would venture it is a bad idea to mix "quick carbs" such as corn syrup and processed sugars with fats of any kind. One wants to digest quickly, one want to go slow, all sort of problems in large amounts. But "slow carbs" such as oatmeal and most fruits with fiber, are already going to digest slower, along with the fats pace, so I found it acceptable to pair them, at least earlier in the day. This at least works for me, but I would love to hear other opinions. I realize there are some grey areas. Such as FF milk. It has a good amount of sugar, but how do those digest? I personally don't know if milk is an alright source of protein after cut-off.

Of course, this is like you stated earlier, all individual, but for some milk/dairy makes them bloat so it is not good at any time. I, for one, have never had a problem keeping the pudge off from using FF milk. I don't drink a lot of it, but if I wake up in the night, I mix it with some protein and go back to sleep. Seems to help with the hunger.

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Originally Posted by kanuki10

Also, if you need to eat, say, 330g of protein a day. Do you count ALL your sources, including veggies, beans, grains, etc? Or do you tend to only concern yourself with either animal derived or "whole" protein.

I don't count my veggie cals towards my daily cals. But I do count my bean and grains cals towards my total. As far as protein in those, I only count in my meat/egg/protein powder towards my daily protein count.

Looking forward to more responses.

M Power · 08-14-2008, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LayinLo

I don't count my veggie cals towards my daily cals. But I do count my bean and grains cals towards my total. As far as protein in those, I only count in my meat/egg/protein powder towards my daily protein count.

Looking forward to more responses.

Look into some complete protien breads like ezekiel bread. I made the switch to using mostly all complete protien grain breads to help get my protien intake up. Only time I eat a non complete protien bread is 2 whole wheat mini bagels pre workout but I have natural PB on them so that makes it a complete protien.

kanuki10 · 08-14-2008, 12:43 PM

Talking about complete sources, by defenition, is soy protein a complete source? Or can manufacturers skimp? And still, I keep hearing it's better to cook with. I just don't know.

FAHall · 08-16-2008, 02:02 PM

All proteins are "complete", just some are lower in certain amino acids than others. Often, if you use a site like www.nutritiondata.com you can find out which aminos one food is low in and then compliment that food with something that is high in that specific amino and then you've got adequate amounts of all of the aminos you need. A good example is rice and beans. Together they have adequate levels of all of the necessary amino acids.

FAHall · 08-16-2008, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanuki10

Talking about complete sources, by defenition, is soy protein a complete source? Or can manufacturers skimp? And still, I keep hearing it's better to cook with. I just don't know.

Yes, Soy is "complete" in the sense that it is not low in any particular amino acids.

kanuki10 · 08-17-2008, 03:03 PM

Do you know if soy powder denatures or becomes damaged like whey is suppodsed to when baked with, or added hot liquid like coffee?

**Trulyhuge** · 08-24-2008, 11:03 PM

Bro,
you're making this harder than what it really is. Just eat the hell out of your protein......chicken, lean meats, eggs, fish, protein powder. Pound down some veggies and then indulge into some good carbohydrates.....yams, brown rice, oats, fruit, etc.
Work up to doubling your protein grams with your weight.....i.e. 150lbs works up to 300 grams of protein per day.

V5RED · 08-24-2008, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAHall

All proteins are "complete", just some are lower in certain amino acids than others.

do you have anything to back that up?
http://www.umass.edu/nibble/infofile/incprot.html

08-11-2008, 12:27 AM	#1
kanuki10 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 178	Some specific DC diet rules. After doing a good bit of researching I have concluded there are none. Seriously. None at all. Natta'. And this is a good thing. Diets tend to be very specific to the person, their traits and goals. But DC does have some general guidlines; such as carb cut-offs and protein/fat and protein/carb pairings. I wanted to delve a bit deeper into what I take from these and see if what people think of my conclusions, as well as disscus other points of view. First carb-cut offs. I get to bed around 9:30. If I had a big dose of carbs at 5:30, even given the physical nature of my evening job as a security guard, I would worry about BF, so I get my last dose of carbs around 4:30. Which for me is an hour after the gym and right before work, so it works well. At 6:30 I usually have 9 ounces of broccoli, 4 ounces chicken and an ounce of almonds, prepared in a variety of ways. I count that as a P/F meal. But even then, that broc and almonds has carbs and even sugars. Still, they are generally "not counted". My last meal before bed is an ounce of walnuts and either a cup of LF cottage cheese or a casein shake + glut and BCAAs. Carbs are still there, but still, no one is going to confuse an once of walnuts with a cup of rice, despite having similar amounts of cals. My real caveat is that earlier in the day I have always tended to have P/F/C meals and thought it was good. Like having eggs(P/F) whole wheat toast with peanut butter(C/F) and somtimes fruit, like an apple. I would venture it is a bad idea to mix "quick carbs" such as corn syrup and processed sugars with fats of any kind. One wants to digest quickly, one want to go slow, all sort of problems in large amounts. But "slow carbs" such as oatmeal and most fruits with fiber, are already going to digest slower, along with the fats pace, so I found it acceptable to pair them, at least earlier in the day. This at least works for me, but I would love to hear other opinions. I realize there are some grey areas. Such as FF milk. It has a good amount of sugar, but how do those digest? I personally don't know if milk is an alright source of protein after cut-off. Also, if you need to eat, say, 330g of protein a day. Do you count ALL your sources, including veggies, beans, grains, etc? Or do you tend to only concern yourself with either animal derived or "whole" protein. And another question further: if it is a bad idea to use whey in cooking, due to possible spoiling or denaturing, is soy powder a better option? How about soy powders in general? Are they always a "complete" source of protein? Alot of topics, but still, at least I enjoy disscusing these points.

08-16-2008, 02:02 PM	#5
FAHall Lightweight Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 497	All proteins are "complete", just some are lower in certain amino acids than others. Often, if you use a site like www.nutritiondata.com you can find out which aminos one food is low in and then compliment that food with something that is high in that specific amino and then you've got adequate amounts of all of the aminos you need. A good example is rice and beans. Together they have adequate levels of all of the necessary amino acids. __________________ AXH531 www.Trueprotein.com has the highest quality supplements at the lowest price available . Now you can get an additional 5% off just by using this discount code! "The secret is that there's no secret. Lift hard, lift consistently, eat tons of clean, wholesome foods and listen to your body. It's very simple, but it's not easy. Don't get these two terms mixed up." -Zach Even-Esh AXH531

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08-14-2008, 12:43 PM	#4
kanuki10 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 178	Talking about complete sources, by defenition, is soy protein a complete source? Or can manufacturers skimp? And still, I keep hearing it's better to cook with. I just don't know.

08-17-2008, 03:03 PM	#7
kanuki10 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Billings, MT Posts: 178	Do you know if soy powder denatures or becomes damaged like whey is suppodsed to when baked with, or added hot liquid like coffee?

08-24-2008, 11:03 PM	#8
Trulyhuge Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Living at the dinner table Posts: 3,323	Bro, you're making this harder than what it really is. Just eat the hell out of your protein......chicken, lean meats, eggs, fish, protein powder. Pound down some veggies and then indulge into some good carbohydrates.....yams, brown rice, oats, fruit, etc. Work up to doubling your protein grams with your weight.....i.e. 150lbs works up to 300 grams of protein per day.

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