DC good option for me ?? - Page 3

brineal · 07-22-2008, 10:40 PM

dhickey, you will soon see and understand as you stay on this board longer and longer...these threads are dime a dozen, and NO ONE wants to be told they shouldnt do something or that they arent ready, but that IS the case and by telling newbs this, we arent trying to discourage them in training, we are trying to help them because the fact is that if you arent ready for DC there are multiple possible negative consequences (injuries, etc.) many many people on this board have provided 5x5 routines and guidance to newbies to help get them on track so one day they will be ready for DC. Sometimes the way the advice is given may not be the best, but this happens so so often that it does become a bit unbearable, you are new here, and over time you will see that everyone here really does want to help. do some research and you will see a trend, DC newbies who are told they arent ready and who maturely accept that verdict and who ask for help to become ready are hardly chastised, and will find this site an excellent source of information on nutrition and training to ready them for DC; those who flip a big middle finger to the experienced members and even dante or SuperD or the others who know this shit inside and out are the ones who are given a hard time...give it time, youll see...

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by brineal

dhickey, you will soon see and understand as you stay on this board longer and longer...these threads are dime a dozen, and NO ONE wants to be told they shouldnt do something or that they arent ready, but that IS the case and by telling newbs this, we arent trying to discourage them in training, we are trying to help them because the fact is that if you arent ready for DC there are multiple possible negative consequences (injuries, etc.) many many people on this board have provided 5x5 routines and guidance to newbies to help get them on track so one day they will be ready for DC. Sometimes the way the advice is given may not be the best, but this happens so so often that it does become a bit unbearable, you are new here, and over time you will see that everyone here really does want to help. do some research and you will see a trend, DC newbies who are told they arent ready and who maturely accept that verdict and who ask for help to become ready are hardly chastised, and will find this site an excellent source of information on nutrition and training to ready them for DC; those who flip a big middle finger to the experienced members and even dante or SuperD or the others who know this shit inside and out are the ones who are given a hard time...give it time, youll see...

Fair enough.

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperD

I think you mean perspective

yep thanks

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

and I stand by what I said in the beginning in which you still dont like the notion of

i don't but that doesn't matter.

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(something that nova and johnnielow and ddubb have said here already)

It isnt for everybody, its never was supposed to be, and there is a large section of people who should be EXCLUDED from doing it.....maybe in your mind you feel thats a slight.....but your not the one who had to explain what a restpause is 8 thousand 6 hundred and 54 times over the last 17 years to people.

I can understand that. I don't really want to argue about this anymore as I don't think it's all that productive . I've read a bunch of stuff on here, noticed a real negative vibe on a lot of these types of threads and pointed it out. If that's the way it is, that's the way it is. I'll move on now and read some more of the good treads.

Johnnielow · 07-22-2008, 11:59 PM

dhickey, one thing you will notice when you have spent more time here is that all the veterans want you to be successful if it is right for you. But so many come here with the absolute idea that they are ready for Dc and soon find out that they are not even though they were told that in the beginning. They want to debate, argue and tell everyone including Dante that they are right for DC and DC is right for them. As as soon as they fail it is not their fault. The program sucks, Dante doesn't know what he is doing, no one helped me and that is when they start to tweak the program to what their notion of Doggcrapp is.

Well, sadly it doesn't work that way. But if you come in here humbly, ask questions after searching for your own answers, read and re-read the stickies and come across as genuine, these people will help you out immensely. But you have to be ready to hear you are not ready. Not all are. I am not ready, not yet. But I know that. Do I use components of DC like rest pause and the extreme stretches, yes. Do I DC train, no. Because I don't train the way DC prescribes, not yet. Soon hopefully, but not yet.

Give this place a chance, be humble, listen twice as much as you post and you will be fine.

**bouncer dave** · 07-23-2008, 12:08 AM

sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
the good thing is that no one is trying to be a dc missionary , trying to convert everyone to dc.
if one is serious he will do all the reading and learning necessary. if he can not be bothered than this is.......... not for him.

when the student is ready the teacher will come.

oscarthecrotch · 07-23-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Here is a question I have not only to you but to anyone who is in this situation because it boggles my mind totally.

How the heck can you spend 13 years at something only to end up at 190 pounds? 13 years of your life doing something hardcore to be ....... a normal guy walking around the mall?

I guess my personality is alot different than alot of guys on these boards.

If im going to spend 13 years playing baseball or basketball or even archery.....TRUST ME, after 13 years im going to be DAMN GOOD AT IT! Especially if I put all that time in to accomplish it. That doesnt mean pro, or winning championships or whatever, but definitely above average.

I dont understand that mentality to do something for so long and settle with being "mediocre"

Would you work 13 years at a job just to get to the point you can "scrape by"?

This is why I turn so many people away from DC training. If you dont have the fortitude to turn yourself into something special after 13 years of training, Im sorry your search for the "magic grail" thats going to give you willpower, determination, and an undying drive to "get there" isnt going to be found on this forum.

Want to know how i look at this? Wow that guy just blew 13 years of training that he is never going to get back and he is going to get to 40 years old, realize that noone ever asked him if he was a bodybuilder or a lifter (unless he made it a point to tell them)........and he can be satisfied with that?

Me? No F*&^ing way in hell would I be satisfied with doing something for 13 years to be average at it.

You might be pissed at what im saying.....so be it....I hope the 1500 guys reading this post think 2 things "Wow Dante is a real jerk sometimes but at least you know the guy doesnt beat around the bush, you will get the straight answer from him" and more importantly "Wow, I sure as hell aint going to be that guy, and waste 13 years doing something just to get up, look in the mirror, and see "joe mowing his lawn across the street" at 33 years old.

I dont want the guys in this forum reading this post who have been jumping around to different things (basically taking 2 steps backwards to take 2 steps forward) to follow your path.....I want this post I am leaving right here to be their wakeup call not to settle to being "someone who gets lost in the crowd"

If you want to be a bodybuilder, you can do it two ways

1)you got a window of opportunity and a path to do it right, and you set out on a strategy and accomplish it.

2)Or you think your actually doing something (which amounts to running on a treadmill=going nowhere fast) and you turn around 13 years later to find out the UPS driver, your 2 next door neighbors, and the 16 year old kid downstairs all dwarf you in muscular size......and you wasted away your window of opportunity.

Yeah, I am sure you are TOTALLY awesome at everything you do.

brineal · 07-23-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by oscarthecrotch

Yeah, I am sure you are TOTALLY awesome at everything you do.

please, could someone TOTALLY ban this d-bag?!...

Johnnielow · 07-23-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by brineal

please, could someone TOTALLY ban this d-bag?!...

Or direct him to BB.com

**Trulyhuge** · 07-23-2008, 01:01 AM

I'm sorry, I missed a lot of what the original post said. I stopped reading after the comment of "being natural, never being on roids."
That to me frustrates me to no end! Do you think some members on this board would post something like this..."i'm 24, 5'11, 260lbs and juiced to the gills!"
Well, I bet some would but we don't go that route here but that's neither here nor there.
Point is, I could care less if you are juiced or not. I know plenty of naturals who are 200lbs+ and being under 5'10. Know how they got there? Busting there ass and looking their genetics in the face and giving them a big fuck you. I would bet even if you did become "chemically enhanced you STILL would not look like a bodybuilder. You may be 5 lbs heavier. Look, I don't know you so this might sound shitty but, sounds to me like you have some work ahead of ya. Better get at it b/c you aint getting any younger.

**ScottMcDonough** · 07-23-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnnielow

Or direct him to BB.com

I believe you mean BACK to getbig

Johnnielow · 07-23-2008, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottMcDonough

I believe you mean BACK to getbig

True, my mistake.

**Doggcrapp** · 07-23-2008, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oscarthecrotch

Yeah, I am sure you are TOTALLY awesome at everything you do.

I deleted my post here......because I told you some things I set my mind too (even against the odds) that I excelled at.....but to be honest I could really care less what you think...LOL

HYPNOSIS 247 · 07-23-2008, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by oscarthecrotch

Yeah, I am sure you are TOTALLY awesome at everything you do.

wtf?

Guther-D · 07-23-2008, 02:46 AM

I think someone is about to be.

singmeat · 07-23-2008, 03:06 AM

The only think Dante sucks at, he readily admits....

...using a camera.

dhickey · 07-23-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bouncer dave

sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
the good thing is that no one is trying to be a dc missionary , trying to convert everyone to dc.
if one is serious he will do all the reading and learning necessary. if he can not be bothered than this is.......... not for him.

when the student is ready the teacher will come.

You guys really go overboard trying to discourage people from using a great program. All this "you not ready dude" stuff is rediculous. This is a program that many can use not just the "elite" on this board many of whom are not elite at all.

There is no reason why someone couldn't start with this program and modify it to better suit them. Who gives a shit if it doesn't work they way you guys think it should. Who gives a shit if someone fails completely. This happens with every single preset program and don't see the outrage and lunicy that I've seen on this board. To say that someone is better off using a 5x5 than changing anything in DC is idiotic. Why specifically would it be better. You guys have gone off the deep end on this.

Dante great program and great suppliments. I am moving on. I'm sure this will spur another 20 posts but I am done here. Happy trails guys.

ddubb9965 · 07-23-2008, 11:00 AM

You asked a question, and now you're done here?

ridiculous*
lunacy*
supplements*

ddubb9965 · 07-23-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

You guys really go overboard trying to discourage people from using a great program. All this "you not ready dude" stuff is rediculous. This is a program that many can use not just the "elite" on this board many of whom are not elite at all.
As I've pointed out, it's more about being advanced enough to know your body and having the base to be able to bring the intensity needed to do the program successfully. You don't have to be an IFBB pro bodybuilder, but to be able to do the program and use it to it's full potential you do need a decent base and a lot of knowledge about your own body and how much abuse it can take without overtraining. EVERYONE thinks they know, but not many people do, and the only way to truly know is experience...a lot of it!

There is no reason why someone couldn't start with this program and modify it to better suit them.
Most people coming on this board asking these questions don't have the aptitude to do what you just said and do it well.
Who gives a shit if it doesn't work they way you guys think it should. Who gives a shit if someone fails completely.
The main reason it's a big deal is because it's Dante's program, and when these average joe's fail (or get fat) they blame it on the program rather than on themselves for just not being smart.
This happens with every single preset program and don't see the outrage and lunicy that I've seen on this board.
Outrage and lunacy? I don't see any of that except coming from people like the TS who get pissed when told they're better off not doing something. You do however see many annoyed and frustrated responses in ANY forum named after the routine in which the forum is based.
To say that someone is better off using a 5x5 than changing anything in DC is idiotic. Why specifically would it be better. You guys have gone off the deep end on this.
You disagree that a preset routine that has been designed to fit your needs/capabilites would produce better results than if you took DC and bastardized it completely? MOST people, namely the people that come asking if DC is for them, are not capable of taking DC principles (or any principle for that matter) and rearranging them in a fashion that would produce the best results for them. They end up spinning their wheels, just like every Joe Schmoe gym rat you see 35 years old, never been over 175, walking around the gym trying to give pointers to everybody and their dog about what they're doing 'wrong'.

Here's what it boils down to...don't come to the DOGGPOUND and try to change any aspect of the, very specific, DC routine, unless you are smart enough and have enough experience to know how to tweak it and make it work (example: Baldnazi, he's made a VERY slight change in his DC routine to produce what he thinks will be better results. He has the experience and a whole lot know-how to accomplish this!). If you get told you aren't ready for DC, whether or not you'd like to take the advice, DON'T ARGUE. If you decide you want to bastardize it to fit your needs, don't come to the DOGGPOUND and brag about what you're doing, keep it in the main discussion board where you'll find plenty of extremely knowledgeable people who will give you tips and help you figure out how to make your 'bastardized, not even close to DC, routine' better. The DOGGPOUND is for DC trainees, or future trainees....not for egotistical people who think they know more than everyone else in the DOGGPOUND.

/thread

SMERIDITH · 07-23-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by oscarthecrotch

Yeah, I am sure you are TOTALLY awesome at everything you do.

WTF just happened...Is this for real?....He's lucky my chicks here..

brineal · 07-23-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

You guys really go overboard trying to discourage people from using a great program. All this "you not ready dude" stuff is rediculous. This is a program that many can use not just the "elite" on this board many of whom are not elite at all.

There is no reason why someone couldn't start with this program and modify it to better suit them. Who gives a shit if it doesn't work they way you guys think it should. Who gives a shit if someone fails completely. This happens with every single preset program and don't see the outrage and lunicy that I've seen on this board. To say that someone is better off using a 5x5 than changing anything in DC is idiotic. Why specifically would it be better. You guys have gone off the deep end on this.

Dante great program and great suppliments. I am moving on. I'm sure this will spur another 20 posts but I am done here. Happy trails guys.

You dont get it, spare everyone here the headache and just lurk..

NovaZ · 07-23-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

You guys really go overboard trying to discourage people from using a great program. All this "you not ready dude" stuff is rediculous. This is a program that many can use not just the "elite" on this board many of whom are not elite at all.

There is no reason why someone couldn't start with this program and modify it to better suit them. Who gives a shit if it doesn't work they way you guys think it should. Who gives a shit if someone fails completely. This happens with every single preset program and don't see the outrage and lunicy that I've seen on this board. To say that someone is better off using a 5x5 than changing anything in DC is idiotic. Why specifically would it be better. You guys have gone off the deep end on this.

Dante great program and great suppliments. I am moving on. I'm sure this will spur another 20 posts but I am done here. Happy trails guys.

The reason Dante hasnt responded again to this is because after reading it he could do nothing but throw his computer out the window after breaking the keyboard over his knee.

Brineal's advice of you just lurking seems to be one of the best advices given.

Mac-nificent · 07-28-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

You guys really go overboard trying to discourage people from using a great program. All this "you not ready dude" stuff is rediculous. This is a program that many can use not just the "elite" on this board many of whom are not elite at all.

There is no reason why someone couldn't start with this program and modify it to better suit them. Who gives a shit if it doesn't work they way you guys think it should. Who gives a shit if someone fails completely. This happens with every single preset program and don't see the outrage and lunicy that I've seen on this board. To say that someone is better off using a 5x5 than changing anything in DC is idiotic. Why specifically would it be better. You guys have gone off the deep end on this.

Dude fall back

I don't think anyone is trying to "discourage" anyone..the point that I think they are trying to make is that DC training is ADVANCED..As it has been said in so many posts, you need to know your body and if you haven't been training for some years, odds are you don't..And I also think that what drives Mr Trudel up the wall is that he has a program that has been proven to work wonders. Yet before you (not you specifically) ever do it, you're looking to change and "improve" on it...FOR WHAY? Very few ppl can actually say they've been on this program long enough to know HOW to change it...the whole concept is relatively new. If ppl don't agree with it don't do it bottom line...MAN UP...use the search feature and stop waiting for someone to hold your hand

07-23-2008, 12:08 AM	#56
bouncer dave Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 2,720	sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind. the good thing is that no one is trying to be a dc missionary , trying to convert everyone to dc. if one is serious he will do all the reading and learning necessary. if he can not be bothered than this is.......... not for him. when the student is ready the teacher will come. __________________ old family red nose "The guy with the biggest butt lifts the biggest weights." — Paul Anderson Waiting for true protein down under

07-23-2008, 03:06 AM	#66
singmeat Lightweight Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cookeville, TN Posts: 311	The only think Dante sucks at, he readily admits.... ...using a camera. __________________ Bodybuilder (noun): A weight lifter too weak to be a powerlifter. Powerlifter (noun) : A weight lifter too fat to be a bodybuilder.

07-23-2008, 11:00 AM	#68
ddubb9965 Middleweight Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: OCMD...ever been? Posts: 618	You asked a question, and now you're done here? ridiculous* lunacy* supplements* __________________ "Any action without purpose is meaningless." w3rd!

07-22-2008, 10:40 PM	#51
brineal Lightweight Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 305	dhickey, you will soon see and understand as you stay on this board longer and longer...these threads are dime a dozen, and NO ONE wants to be told they shouldnt do something or that they arent ready, but that IS the case and by telling newbs this, we arent trying to discourage them in training, we are trying to help them because the fact is that if you arent ready for DC there are multiple possible negative consequences (injuries, etc.) many many people on this board have provided 5x5 routines and guidance to newbies to help get them on track so one day they will be ready for DC. Sometimes the way the advice is given may not be the best, but this happens so so often that it does become a bit unbearable, you are new here, and over time you will see that everyone here really does want to help. do some research and you will see a trend, DC newbies who are told they arent ready and who maturely accept that verdict and who ask for help to become ready are hardly chastised, and will find this site an excellent source of information on nutrition and training to ready them for DC; those who flip a big middle finger to the experienced members and even dante or SuperD or the others who know this shit inside and out are the ones who are given a hard time...give it time, youll see...

07-22-2008, 11:59 PM	#55
Johnnielow Lightweight Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 330	dhickey, one thing you will notice when you have spent more time here is that all the veterans want you to be successful if it is right for you. But so many come here with the absolute idea that they are ready for Dc and soon find out that they are not even though they were told that in the beginning. They want to debate, argue and tell everyone including Dante that they are right for DC and DC is right for them. As as soon as they fail it is not their fault. The program sucks, Dante doesn't know what he is doing, no one helped me and that is when they start to tweak the program to what their notion of Doggcrapp is. Well, sadly it doesn't work that way. But if you come in here humbly, ask questions after searching for your own answers, read and re-read the stickies and come across as genuine, these people will help you out immensely. But you have to be ready to hear you are not ready. Not all are. I am not ready, not yet. But I know that. Do I use components of DC like rest pause and the extreme stretches, yes. Do I DC train, no. Because I don't train the way DC prescribes, not yet. Soon hopefully, but not yet. Give this place a chance, be humble, listen twice as much as you post and you will be fine.

07-23-2008, 01:01 AM	#60
Trulyhuge Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Living at the dinner table Posts: 3,324	I'm sorry, I missed a lot of what the original post said. I stopped reading after the comment of "being natural, never being on roids." That to me frustrates me to no end! Do you think some members on this board would post something like this..."i'm 24, 5'11, 260lbs and juiced to the gills!" Well, I bet some would but we don't go that route here but that's neither here nor there. Point is, I could care less if you are juiced or not. I know plenty of naturals who are 200lbs+ and being under 5'10. Know how they got there? Busting there ass and looking their genetics in the face and giving them a big fuck you. I would bet even if you did become "chemically enhanced you STILL would not look like a bodybuilder. You may be 5 lbs heavier. Look, I don't know you so this might sound shitty but, sounds to me like you have some work ahead of ya. Better get at it b/c you aint getting any younger.

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