DC good option for me ?? - Page 2

Tight Five · 07-22-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

We all have different priorities at different parts of our lives. Maybe lifting wasn't the focus of his life. Have you spent 13 years of your life driving a car? Are you an indy car driver and a champion?

I know what he has spent over 13 years doing though. His avatar sort of gives it away.

I have spent over 13 years playing golf.....I am still shit

force245 · 07-22-2008, 10:57 AM

Damn it, Have I been sleeping and missed a chance to be a smart ass in a thread or missed pearls of wisdom from D. This just sucks.

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I wonder what Louie Simmons would say if a guy walked into his gym and said "Hey Louie I train at home on my Bowflex....how can I do Westside?!"

Oh my........... D, do you just think stuff up like this on a spur of the moment, or do you have you little black book of sarcastic one liners that makes everything hit home. Either way, I bet it would be a blast to hang out for a day and listen to a few of these get spurt out with that Mass. accent. Too Funny.

Johnnielow · 07-22-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Here is a question I have not only to you but to anyone who is in this situation because it boggles my mind totally.

How the heck can you spend 13 years at something only to end up at 190 pounds? 13 years of your life doing something hardcore to be ....... a normal guy walking around the mall?

I guess my personality is alot different than alot of guys on these boards.

If im going to spend 13 years playing baseball or basketball or even archery.....TRUST ME, after 13 years im going to be DAMN GOOD AT IT! Especially if I put all that time in to accomplish it. That doesnt mean pro, or winning championships or whatever, but definitely above average.

I dont understand that mentality to do something for so long and settle with being "mediocre"

Would you work 13 years at a job just to get to the point you can "scrape by"?

This is why I turn so many people away from DC training. If you dont have the fortitude to turn yourself into something special after 13 years of training, Im sorry your search for the "magic grail" thats going to give you willpower, determination, and an undying drive to "get there" isnt going to be found on this forum.

Want to know how i look at this? Wow that guy just blew 13 years of training that he is never going to get back and he is going to get to 40 years old, realize that noone ever asked him if he was a bodybuilder or a lifter (unless he made it a point to tell them)........and he can be satisfied with that?

Me? No F*&^ing way in hell would I be satisfied with doing something for 13 years to be average at it.

You might be pissed at what im saying.....so be it....I hope the 1500 guys reading this post think 2 things "Wow Dante is a real jerk sometimes but at least you know the guy doesnt beat around the bush, you will get the straight answer from him" and more importantly "Wow, I sure as hell aint going to be that guy, and waste 13 years doing something just to get up, look in the mirror, and see "joe mowing his lawn across the street" at 33 years old.

I dont want the guys in this forum reading this post who have been jumping around to different things (basically taking 2 steps backwards to take 2 steps forward) to follow your path.....I want this post I am leaving right here to be their wakeup call not to settle to being "someone who gets lost in the crowd"

If you want to be a bodybuilder, you can do it two ways

1)you got a window of opportunity and a path to do it right, and you set out on a strategy and accomplish it.

2)Or you think your actually doing something (which amounts to running on a treadmill=going nowhere fast) and you turn around 13 years later to find out the UPS driver, your 2 next door neighbors, and the 16 year old kid downstairs all dwarf you in muscular size......and you wasted away your window of opportunity.

I just read this post 7 or 8 times. Of all the things Dante has written over the years this is the one that hit me as the most profound. How many are satisfied with what they get when there is so much more out there to be had. I don't know how you do it day to day Dante, the people coming to you for advice and then basically saying "fuck it", you don't know what you are talking about. You have way more patience than I do, I need to work on that.

This program is not for everyone and that is a good thing.

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperD

You are of course correct whatever point it is you're making here. I clearly have no clue what I'm talking about. Thank you for correcting me.
I am looking forward to more of your pearls of wisdom...you mystery new member person you!

I didn't mean to single you out specifically. You said in plain english what a ton of people hint at on a regular basis on this forum. You said DC was not for everone. Others on this forum are not as direct or as tactfull. My opinion is that there are pearls of wisdom in the program for almost anyone.

RP
Low volume - High Frequency
Rotating stale exercises
Heavy weights on core exercises
Proper stretching

These are tools that very few people use and most could benefit from. Here they are all in one program and a bunch of guys using all of them on the same forum. Even if someone is unwilling or not able to work the program to the T, coming to this site to reading stickies and ask questions is worth the effort.

Not aimed at you-
It's just as easy to make simple suggestions as is to cut someone down. No need to brush people off or even worse insult them.

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tight Five

I know what he has spent over 13 years doing though. His avatar sort of gives it away.

I have spent over 13 years playing golf.....I am still shit

Me too. I guess I should stop trying to get better. Golf is not for everyone and I have not shown the right level of commitment to everyone on the golf forum. You have to live, breath, eat, sleep, and shit golf before you ask any questions on golf on a forum. You guys are nice, those guys on the golf forum are brutal.

ddubb9965 · 07-22-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

I didn't mean to single you out specifically. You said in plain english what a ton of people hint at on a regular basis on this forum. You said DC was not for everone. Others on this forum are not as direct or as tactfull. My opinion is that there are pearls of wisdom in the program for almost anyone.

RP
Low volume - High Frequency
Rotating stale exercises
Heavy weights on core exercises
Proper stretching

These are tools that very few people use and most could benefit from. Here they are all in one program and a bunch of guys using all of them on the same forum. Even if someone is unwilling or not able to work the program to the T, coming to this site to reading stickies and ask questions is worth the effort.

Not aimed at you-
It's just as easy to make simple suggestions as is to cut someone down. No need to brush people off or even worse insult them.

Yea sure, how many people have read about DC and instead of doing the program as laid out, add in certain aspects of the training to their own routine. Great, it worked for me at first...last summer i started incorporating the extreme stretching, felt great, worked (i think). So sure, OP could take some of the ideas and incorporate it in HIS routine in an intelligent fashion and it may work for him. The problem is that 75% of the people don't understand their own body, nor understand how to reach what they want on their own by figuring out how to get to B from A. These people need a program laid out for them, to a T, on what to do when, where, why, and how much. DC isn't for those people. We're in the DOGGPOUND, he was asking if DC was for him...no it isn't. He tried disagreeing, he tried defending his case, instead of checking his ego at the door and realizing DC actually ISN'T A GOOD OPTION FOR HIM.

ddubb9965 · 07-22-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

Me too. I guess I should stop trying to get better. Golf is not for everyone and I have not shown the right level of commitment to everyone on the golf forum. You have to live, breath, eat, sleep, and shit golf before you ask any questions on golf on a forum. You guys are nice, those guys on the golf forum are brutal.

refer to my post above because you obviously don't understand what DC, SuperD, and anyone else that turns people away from DC really have in mind. It's not an elitist attitude, it's just truth..most people you see in the gym, don't understand their own bodies, nor the science behind what DC (or working out in general) is all about, and that is exactly what is needed to do a DCesque routine successfully.

Tight Five · 07-22-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

Me too. I guess I should stop trying to get better. Golf is not for everyone and I have not shown the right level of commitment to everyone on the golf forum. You have to live, breath, eat, sleep, and shit golf before you ask any questions on golf on a forum. You guys are nice, those guys on the golf forum are brutal.

You have completely missed my point. You don't see me take up Tiger Woods' training routine. I require something more basic and appropriate for my level, which is what the OP needs for his weight training.

Aside from that I have no idea what you're talking about, quite nonsensical. We are simple folk around here. If that was sarcasm you'll find it will be lost on most of us

ddubb9965 · 07-22-2008, 11:37 AM

Don't worry, he'll find the door soon enough with that attitude.

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ddubb9965

Don't worry, he'll find the door soon enough with that attitude.

It wasn't meant to be attitude. My attempt at sarcasm. lighten up.

Your post 2 before this was good. That is constructive. There seems to be an all or nothing attitude here. The fact is there is a ton of information here that is useful to anyone willing to look and ask questions. Even for guys with a bowflex at home. ok, maybe a little too far there.

ddubb9965 · 07-22-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

It wasn't meant to be attitude. My attempt at sarcasm. lighten up.

Your post 2 before this was good. That is constructive. There seems to be an all or nothing attitude here. The fact is there is a ton of information here that is useful to anyone willing to look and ask questions. Even for guys with a bowflex at home. ok, maybe a little too far there.

It didn't sound as much like light sarcasm as it sounded like a shot taken at some people in here, but don't worry, i don't think it offended anyone anyway.

I've never heard anyone say 'all or nothing'. It IS, however, all or nothing if you want to call what you're doing DC training, there's no picking and choosing which parts you want to follow.

People talk about adding extreme stretching to their routine all the time and i've never heard anyone say no. The RP'ing, unless you're doing a high intensity low volume routine, i wouldn't recommend using. What i'm saying is, sure you can use some of the DC principles and create a routine 'a la carte', but when there are an innumerable amount other routines laid out for anyone and everyone, finding one that fits your needs is rather simple and would probably produce much better results. Why manipulate a DC routine, or water it down when there's plenty of other routines made to fit your needs?

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ddubb9965

It didn't sound as much like light sarcasm as it sounded like a shot taken at some people in here, but don't worry, i don't think it offended anyone anyway.

I've never heard anyone say 'all or nothing'. It IS, however, all or nothing if you want to call what you're doing DC training, there's no picking and choosing which parts you want to follow.

People talk about adding extreme stretching to their routine all the time and i've never heard anyone say no. The RP'ing, unless you're doing a high intensity low volume routine, i wouldn't recommend using. What i'm saying is, sure you can use some of the DC principles and create a routine 'a la carte', but when there are an innumerable amount other routines laid out for anyone and everyone, finding one that fits your needs is rather simple and would probably produce much better results. Why manipulate a DC routine, or water it down when there's plenty of other routines made to fit your needs?

90% aggree with the above post. if you change it, it is no longer DC training. Still a ton of good info in this forum for people not doing DC. Modified version of DC is still alot better than what most people are doing now.

ddubb9965 · 07-22-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

90% aggree with the above post. if you change it, it is no longer DC training. Still a ton of good info in this forum for people not doing DC. Modified version of DC is still alot better than what most people are doing now.

Yea, that's why i'm here...i've been lurking here since well before i ever DC'ed, and always point people towards these boards when asked about training. ANY tried and tested routine laid out by anyone that knows what they're doing is better than what most people are doing now. You're better off however with a 5x5 routine than to water down a DC routine to fit your schedule or your capabilities.

SMERIDITH · 07-22-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

90% aggree with the above post. if you change it, it is no longer DC training. Still a ton of good info in this forum for people not doing DC. Modified version of DC is still alot better than what most people are doing now.

This is were the problem lies and that's what the guys are trying to point out. The modifiing of the program is what creates havoc. The people that modify it are the first to complain that it doesn't work. Dante created this program from from years of trial/effort and for one sole purpose. To be the biggest MF you can be. It must be followed to the letter for it to work that way. All SuperD, TF, ddubb9965, etc. are saying is if that is not your number one priority then this is not the program for you. Dante has never begged anyone to do DC. He has only offered us the chance at the holy grail. It is up to the individual to take the challenge.

**Doggcrapp** · 07-22-2008, 02:08 PM

And Dhickey (I want to hear honesty, I dont want to hear what you want to type)...if you were me and a guy came into this forum with a basic "hey guys ive been going back and forth and up and down and all around for 13 years BUT NOW IM GOING TO GET IT DONE, THIS IS THE PROGRAM THATS GOING TO GIVE ME THE WILLPOWER TO DO IT!"

Are you (as me) going to open your arms and say "welcome aboard buddy"?

I dont need someone to be a monster for me to help them but I want to hear "Dante Ive tried my absolute best, my absolute best, I want this bad, and have for 13 years, Im stuck....can you help me out?"

That guy was a flybynight lifter who saw the magazines and had a pipedream.....but never really applied himself.

I always have and always will have little patience for people who love to hear themselves talk about what they want but dont go after it with a fervor. I see this with people who are overweight all the time...who will tell everyone within 5 miles that they so badly want to be thin (and get the sob story "feel sorry for you" treatment they so badly want) and then are chowing down a box of mystic mints 2 hours later and havent seen a treadmill in 3 years

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SMERIDITH

This is were the problem lies and that's what the guys are trying to point out. The modifiing of the program is what creates havoc. The people that modify it are the first to complain that it doesn't work. Dante created this program from from years of trial/effort and for one sole purpose. To be the biggest MF you can be. It must be followed to the letter for it to work that way. All SuperD, TF, ddubb9965, etc. are saying is if that is not your number one priority then this is not the program for you. Dante has never begged anyone to do DC. He has only offered us the chance at the holy grail. It is up to the individual to take the challenge.

gotcha. That's why I agree that it's not DC once modified. Still plenty to learn in here and incorporate into other programs. Sorry if I am not conveying this thought clearly.

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

And Dhickey (I want to hear honesty, I dont want to hear what you want to type)...if you were me and a guy came into this forum with a basic "hey guys ive been going back and forth and up and down and all around for 13 years BUT NOW IM GOING TO GET IT DONE, THIS IS THE PROGRAM THATS GOING TO GIVE ME THE WILLPOWER TO DO IT!"

Are you (as me) going to open your arms and say "welcome aboard buddy"?

depends what kind of mood I am in and if I have time to help. I don't think cutting him down in productive. No response would be better.

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I dont need someone to be a monster for me to help them but I want to hear "Dante Ive tried my absolute best, my absolute best, I want this bad, and have for 13 years, Im stuck....can you help me out?"

I gathered this. I doubt a majority of people on this site are monsters. If you gather that someone is not worth helping maybe someone else on the forum has the time a patience. I think when you cut the person down others on this forum are not going to offer to help and join in on a barrage of unconstructive posts. I read as much of this forum as possible and it seem to be a reaccuring theme. People on this site have a great deal of respect (deservingly) for you and when you set the tone for a thread, others are likely to follow. Just my observation.

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That guy was a flybynight lifter who saw the magazines and had a pipedream.....but never really applied himself.

Probably but no one took the time to find out. Just jumped him.

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I always have and always will have little patience for people who love to hear themselves talk about what they want but dont go after it with a fervor. I see this with people who are overweight all the time...who will tell everyone within 5 miles that they so badly want to be thin (and get the sob story "feel sorry for you" treatment they so badly want) and then are chowing down a box of mystic mints 2 hours later and havent seen a treadmill in 3 years

Understandable. I think in general it would be better to just let them be and see if anyone else has the time or patients to deal with them. There is a ton of good info on this forum and people should be encouraged to check it out. I think it has the power to change how people look at training in general. I would say that's a good thing.

I plan on asking a bunch of questions. If you have the time, it would be great if you gave some input. If not, that's ok too but attacking my dedication or motives really isn't going to help me at all. My schedule and goals (limit strength) simply don't fit DC as you have put it together, but I've already gotten a lot out of this forum and reading some of your other stuff.

**SuperD** · 07-22-2008, 04:04 PM

My mother-in-law used to show up out of the blue and start telling everyone what to do also. Dhickey, you very much remind me of her.

dhickey · 07-22-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperD

My mother-in-law used to show up out of the blue and start telling everyone what to do also. Dhickey, you very much remind me of her.

Is she 5'10" 245lbs? That would be too weird. I not telling anyone what to do. I am offering a suggestion. Take it or leave it. I thought that's what forums were for?

Sometimes it's good to get prospective from someone on the outside looking in.

Johnnielow · 07-22-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dhickey

Is she 5'10" 245lbs? That would be too weird. I not telling anyone what to do. I am offering a suggestion. Take it or leave it. I thought that's what forums were for?

Sometimes it's good to get prospective from someone on the outside looking in.

dhickey, I don't post here much but I do lurk and read quite a bit. It appears to me that you are trying to argue semantics with some very experienced members here including SuperD and Dante. I suggest and I mean this with all respect that maybe until you have a further grasp of what they are trying to tell you is maybe it is best to listen and learn as opposed to trying to teach.

Beefsalad · 07-22-2008, 09:01 PM

First and foremost, Crankman probably didn't do his homework ( reading, then rereading all stickies and info) before jumping in and asking something that can be answered millions times over in this forum. Then he would see the liflong battle Dante has with half serious guys turning his program into abortions. People fail the program because of so many reasons. Dedication, inconsistent, bullshit diet, trying to tweek this or that, technique, can't manufacture red-hot intensity. So when these half ass guys fail.....they shit on Dante's lifework by saying DC sucks or it's a joke. I would be jaded too. This is not for everyone. You can still lurk and take info and knowledge from here and do what you want with it, but don't hold DC training or Dante accountable for your failures. If you pose the question "Is DC is right for me" with the writing on the wall saying FUCK NO than your going to get these experienced jaded guys here telling point blank the brutal truth. It's not an elitist attitude. It might seem that way because this is like a broken record that's been spinning for years.

NovaZ · 07-22-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnielow

dhickey, I don't post here much but I do lurk and read quite a bit. It appears to me that you are trying to argue semantics with some very experienced members here including SuperD and Dante. I suggest and I mean this with all respect that maybe until you have a further grasp of what they are trying to tell you is maybe it is best to listen and learn as opposed to trying to teach.

Well said.

DHickey, you just joined, you dont know what goes on in this forum. Day and day out posts/threads like this are prevalent. So much so that the veterans wonder why Dante and even themselves still contribute when there are so many people trying to make them bang their head against the wall.

I take pride in the fact that I do Doggcrapp Training and am a good representative of it. Just me being an outsider who read and read and looked up numerous posts by Dante (on multiple forums) and contributes to this board, I have "DC pride". I cant imagine what extent of "DC pride" Dante has being it is his brainchild. Now imagine someone butchering something you've tried so hard to offer for free and who will likely come back to BB.com and say "DC didnt work for me. It doesnt work" when all he was doing was a clusterfuck of what its supposed to be (just an example).

07-22-2008, 11:37 AM	#34
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07-22-2008, 02:08 PM	#40
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,789	And Dhickey (I want to hear honesty, I dont want to hear what you want to type)...if you were me and a guy came into this forum with a basic "hey guys ive been going back and forth and up and down and all around for 13 years BUT NOW IM GOING TO GET IT DONE, THIS IS THE PROGRAM THATS GOING TO GIVE ME THE WILLPOWER TO DO IT!" Are you (as me) going to open your arms and say "welcome aboard buddy"? I dont need someone to be a monster for me to help them but I want to hear "Dante Ive tried my absolute best, my absolute best, I want this bad, and have for 13 years, Im stuck....can you help me out?" That guy was a flybynight lifter who saw the magazines and had a pipedream.....but never really applied himself. I always have and always will have little patience for people who love to hear themselves talk about what they want but dont go after it with a fervor. I see this with people who are overweight all the time...who will tell everyone within 5 miles that they so badly want to be thin (and get the sob story "feel sorry for you" treatment they so badly want) and then are chowing down a box of mystic mints 2 hours later and havent seen a treadmill in 3 years __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com Last edited by Doggcrapp : 07-22-2008 at 02:11 PM.

07-22-2008, 04:04 PM	#43
SuperD Moderator/DC Q & A Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,886	My mother-in-law used to show up out of the blue and start telling everyone what to do also. Dhickey, you very much remind me of her. __________________ <NOT QUITE READY FOR DC EITHER

07-22-2008, 09:01 PM	#46
Beefsalad Bantamweight Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 162	First and foremost, Crankman probably didn't do his homework ( reading, then rereading all stickies and info) before jumping in and asking something that can be answered millions times over in this forum. Then he would see the liflong battle Dante has with half serious guys turning his program into abortions. People fail the program because of so many reasons. Dedication, inconsistent, bullshit diet, trying to tweek this or that, technique, can't manufacture red-hot intensity. So when these half ass guys fail.....they shit on Dante's lifework by saying DC sucks or it's a joke. I would be jaded too. This is not for everyone. You can still lurk and take info and knowledge from here and do what you want with it, but don't hold DC training or Dante accountable for your failures. If you pose the question "Is DC is right for me" with the writing on the wall saying FUCK NO than your going to get these experienced jaded guys here telling point blank the brutal truth. It's not an elitist attitude. It might seem that way because this is like a broken record that's been spinning for years.

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