matsu

hey guys. been away from serious training for 6months as i re started some martial arts in a serious way.
i now train wing chun twice in a club and twice at home. and altho i have trained at the gym in the mornings it hasnt been especially overload training.

i also have been on a keto diet for most of the 6 months and have lost 2 stones since november-intentional to aid my WC.

BUT i hate looking in the mirror and know what i had and aint now!!

so can i combine dc training to try put on a little muscle without compromising my WC.

spent ages re-reading all my notes and old log sheets and cant believe i trained that heavy not so long ago lol

thanks in advance for any input
matsu

ScottMcDonough

http://www.intensemuscle.com/31339-n...y-hell-dc.html This thread has your name all over it.

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ddubb9965

oh dear lord not again.

this HAS to be a troll attempt

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edited for my bad mood

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matsu

NO YOU AREN'T A BODYBUILDER, YOU AREN'T LOOKING TO GET HUGE. NO TO YOU DOING DC. NO TO WC AND DC TOGETHER, AND NO TO THIS THREAD!


i was a bodybuilder for 15yrs and i did dc for just over a year and got good results on it bud!

i asked a simple question and would have been happy with a simple answer without the attitude.so thanks for that

i have total respect for dante and what he acheives with his trainees. and had forgotten his mantra regarding combining dc with other activities.
so i will rethink my training strategy and bow out.

scott- i read the other post thanks.

matsu

ddubb9965

lol sorry...i overreacted because of that thread smd posted. bottom line tho, as this will be the third time i've said it in the past two days, DC isn't meant for the weekend warrior, regular old gym rat. it's not for someone who wants to cross train tennis/basketball/ and lifting. it's for one things, just to get big. it would be too much for ur body to do any kind of martial art AND dc. sure you could do a watered down almost dc routine and be fine...but nobody here, nor urself would want that.

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matsu

thanks for that bud.i,m sureit must p##s off every member with wkend warriors wannabees and poseurs in spandex want to try some hardcore lol.

i been hardcore geez and ive been 19st+ from a natural 11st starting weight and tried every system and diet with and without gear!for nigh on 20yrs.
i love bodybuilding but at the moment i am totally obessed and focused on wing chun.i loved DC for the year i did it!!
i just thought with the simplicity of dc(NOT DISCLUDING THE INTENSITY AND FULL ON-NESS OF IT)would allow me to combine and poss add some lost muscle back on to my frame.
i had forgotten what it really takes to dc and to bodybuild to the level i used to have.
i.m gooa use the splits and the principles to get me back me into it and i,ll see how i go.
many thanks for the input.

matsu

Mangoat

Stop the Keto, trust me, it is the best way to loose fat while not burning muscle...unless your doing something fast paced like martial arts, then reverse that statement, Low-GI carbs WITH healthy fats in them, decent amount of protein.

iron05

lol ddubb

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big an rich

DC is for people who train crazy hard, who become one with the weights, the gym is like a home to you where you truly become yourself. You sacrifice Friday and Saturday in the bar getting drunk to recover from the intense lifts, you sacrifice the wing chun, the Tai Chi and the Pilates to allow maximum growth and recovery from the massive heavy weights.

I've only been reading this board for a couple of months but I've seen questions like this many times. If you did DC for a year you'll know how hard it is to do other things. I like MMA but don't train anymore as I think I would fall to pieces...

HYPNOSIS 247

Matsu, can you describe a typical training session? I'm familiar with WC (as well as most arts) but I'm wondering about things like how long you train, the intensity level, and if you do any sort of calisthenics before class.

Big an rich, no offense but you obviously dont know much about the martial arts. Tai Chi is EXCELLENT for promoting recovery and keeping stress levels and therefore Cortisol levels down. Training in so-called "MMA" doesn't make you a martial artist.

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matsu

hey hypno- dont think ive had a typical session mate,they vary everytime.
but running warm up and different shaped pressups-mostly in punch shapes lots of ab work.
actual wing chun could be an hour of sparring full on or fifteen min sparring fifteen min drills with partner fifteen min basics and fifteen on the form.
a mix or hybrid of any of these.some days i spend all hour in one stance jst turning blocking and striking somedays i,m jumping around non stop!

am there for an hour and fifteen in total.

i just had an hour and half private lesson and i did my form-(static) and a few drills and basically worked it untill sifu was happy with my technique.
he also blocked the sh#t out of my wrists till i couldnt feel my fingers lol!!

mma is totally different to wing chun.

i am not trying to water down DC because thats not poss-you do it or you dont!.
i wanted to know if they were compatible enough for me to gain a little of my lost mass,without affecting my wc too much,based on my experience.
this i am now RE aware that this is considered not possible.
i liked the simplicity the splits and the timescale of dc so i would like to try combine those elements into my routine to give me structure and focus-wether i am able to go balls to the wall is another matter.

thank you for your time and advice.
good luck with your training.

matsu

big an rich

Hypno, no offense taken bud, I'm not really that into martial arts. I'm more into powerbuilding...

Tight Five

"DC is for people who train crazy hard, who become one with the weights, the gym is like a home to you where you truly become yourself."

Sorry but that is a load of shit. That is more the sign of someone who is obsessed or who has nothing else in their life. DC and weights comes a long way behind family, friends and my livelihood.

If you need the gym to 'truly become yourself' you need to get a life. I have a family that shows what I am

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big an rich

Lol, I'm sorry I have to admit I only wrote that to see who would be the first to flame it. In all honesty I had three people in mind, one of which was you T5.

As for life and me... They go well with a nice lump of sarcasm.

Tight Five

OK, you got me, lol

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SMERIDITH

I think your off base T5. I know B&R ment it as a joke but In all honesty being obsessive over something positive can be a good thing whether it is bodybuilding, family, work, etc. if it drives you to succeed. You can only do one thing really good at any given time, multi-tasking is horseshit and leads only to several things being done half-assed. I grew up in a broken home with lots of opportunity to do the wrong things. Then when I was 14 I was introduced to lifting by my grandfather and it became my obsession. To the point that I got noticed by my high school football coach for my work ethic and size. It got me a scholarship to college. And in the offseason my Saturday weightroom obsession kept me from getting wasted every Friday night like my buddies (and it also got me laid a lot). Then it got me a tryout with a pro team. Later I met my wife through my obsession as she was an aerobics instructor. While it is no longer an obsession, as my wife and kids are my new obsession, I can hardly say that it ruined my life. And as life has it's ups and downs it still remains my one constant.

brineal

your story here actually backs what T5 was saying, its one thing to go all out and really kick ass in the gym, but if that is all you hold important and all you do, then you are totally missing out and letting life pass you by. what if instead of those tryouts, meeting your wife, getting ass in college etc. you just lived bodybuilding and working out 24/7? your life now would look a hell of a lot different... I think what T5 is saying is that lifting and bodybuilding should be something you do, not who you are, if you put bodybuilding #1 over anythign and everyone else, then you need to step back and get some priorities straight, because you only get one chance at this life thing and its a shame to waste it away and not experiencing everything it has to offer..

SMERIDITH

That is my point but it wasn't ment to be just for bodybuilding. I didn't go out looking to attain any of those things. They fell into place because of my passion. I'm just saying that having positive obsessions at different times in your life is not a bad thing. And whether it's working out or something elese you hold dear, you have to have something be your #1 priority at a given time or as they say "a rolling stone gathers no moss".

HYPNOSIS 247

There is a difference between being obsessed and being driven and focused. Obsessed is what the weak call the disciplined!

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SMERIDITH

While your point is well taken Hypnosis they indeed can be one in the same, the only difference being in the doctor doing the evaluation..lol

ddubb9965

i like that

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no, 'obsessed' is a word used by those who want to describe someone who is obsessed.
there's a definite line between 'obsessed' and 'dedicated', do not confuse the two. i hate that quote, friggin trying to make obsessed people feel better about themselves.

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big an rich

Sorry for opening up a can of worms...

Just out of interest I wonder if Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler think of themselves as obsessed or just dedicated and either way can you really be the best in the world without being "obsessed"... Lastly, if they aren't obsessed then who is?

"Compulsive preoccupation with a fixed idea or an unwanted feeling or emotion often accompanied by feelings of anxiety" or "A compulsive often unreasonable idea or emotion"

SMERIDITH

Well said B&R...I think you and Hypnosis hit it right on the head.......Following this thread I've had an unwanted feeling or emotion that's been accompanied by feelings of anxiety...Hmmmmmmm