20 lb. increase after first rotation

1968 GTO · 05-30-2008, 03:40 PM

I just did my second "1A" workout - Incline bench, rope pushdown, db shoulder press, rack pullups, hypers. I moved up my Incline bench from 225 x 12 (8 +2 +2) on the first workout, 2 weeks ago, to 245 x 12 (8 + 2 +2) today. This is the biggest jump I have had on my bench in a long, long time. My last warmup set was at 205, and it felt so light that I decided to put 245 on and go for it.

It sure is nice to get in and out of the gym in 30 minutes !

If I keep seeing results this good, I will post my start/finish weights at the end of my 8 week "blast".

Thanks Dante & Wojo !

NovaZ · 05-30-2008, 03:59 PM

A few things stand out...

Your order is incorrect. Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back Width, Back Thickness.

Rope Pushdowns? Hyperextensions? Poor choices for Triceps and Back Thickness. Triceps have 4-5 staples (CGBP, RGBP, Skullcrushers, Dips. Some include PJR Pullovers in this category). Every good triceps exercise DC style is going to cater around those movements. And Back Thickness has one of the most abundant selections of exercises none of which are hyperextensions.

And a 2-Way Split workout in under 30 minutes? Something is off about that to me.

Do some more reading, my friend. Hope this helped.

spdude · 05-30-2008, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaZ

And a 2-Way Split workout in under 30 minutes? Something is off about that to me.

How long should it take?

I would assume 35-45 minutes to be ideal.

grumpy stumpy · 05-30-2008, 04:28 PM

I don't think you can be too specific BUT if you are doing warm-up sets and working hard on the main sets (whether straight reps or RP) I would doubt if (after stretching) you could get through a session in under 45 minutes? Personally I aim to be under 60 minutes even on the chest/shoulder etc days but not by much

1968 GTO · 05-30-2008, 05:16 PM

Thanks for the replies - I guess???

I should have listed shoulders before tris. I do rack deads and T-bars on my other two workouts for back thickness. I selected hypers knowing that this was a lower back exercise that would help my back while golfing. I am doing 90 second stretches after each set as shown in the DVD.

I stay focused at the gym and get my work done - unless there's some hotties to talk to.

I can't see how each workout would last longer than 40 minutes. I have 5 work sets, warm ups for each and then four 90 second stretches.

milkstud · 05-30-2008, 05:21 PM

Change Hypers to deadlifts

, or maybe Bent over rows...

bouncer dave · 05-30-2008, 06:46 PM

length of wo depends on how advance you are- how heavy you lift- how many w-ups sets you need.

bruno · 05-30-2008, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968 GTO

I selected hypers knowing that this was a lower back exercise that would help my back while golfing.

I'm not saying you can't play golf and do DC, but if your goal is to improve your golf game I would say this is not the best program.

njmeat · 05-30-2008, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968 GTO

I selected hypers knowing that this was a lower back exercise that would help my back while golfing.----

oh my god

I stay focused at the gym and get my work done - unless there's some hotties to talk to.----

oh my fuckin god

I can't see how each workout would last longer than 40 minutes. I have 5 work sets, warm ups for each and then four 90 second stretches.

First off you don't necessarily have 5 work sets...in fact most of the time you will have more like 6...because all quad exercises are 2 sets( heavy set then widow) and most back thickness exercises are 2 sets.

Second, unless you are already really flexable then you should not be able to do the stretches for 90 sec right off the bat if your doing them correctly...they are meant to be painful and progressed upon just like your training

Third, you do not go to the gym to hit on women...there are 22-23 hours left in the day to chase tail...either devote that hour or two of your time in the gym and train hard and focused or go do some beach body flex magazine workout

lastly, and most importantly. DC did not create this program for the weekend warrior. This is not a program to make you better or stronger at golf and you cannot substitute exercises to make your golf game a little easier. This is for bodybuilders who are serious about training. I am personally surprised that nobody has seen your post and gone off the deepend, especially dante, but I guess everyone around here is just getting used to it. I for one admire their patience and will continue to bite my tongue instead of spewing out a multitude of profanities followed by the tossing of my shitty dell computer out of the window.

fade · 05-30-2008, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njmeat

First off you don't necessarily have 5 work sets...in fact most of the time you will have more like 6...because all quad exercises are 2 sets( heavy set then widow) and most back thickness exercises are 2 sets.

Second, unless you are already really flexable then you should not be able to do the stretches for 90 sec right off the bat if your doing them correctly...they are meant to be painful and progressed upon just like your training

Third, you do not go to the gym to hit on women...there are 22-23 hours left in the day to chase tail...either devote that hour or two of your time in the gym and train hard and focused or go do some beach body flex magazine workout

lastly, and most importantly. DC did not create this program for the weekend warrior. This is not a program to make you better or stronger at golf and you cannot substitute exercises to make your golf game a little easier. This is for bodybuilders who are serious about training. I am personally surprised that nobody has seen your post and gone off the deepend, especially dante, but I guess everyone around here is just getting used to it. I for one admire their patience and will continue to bite my tongue instead of spewing out a multitude of profanities followed by the tossing of my shitty dell computer out of the window.

I honestly don't understand why so many people get worked up about this type of thing... There are so many things in life beyond bodybuilding. If he wants to golf on the weekends and deads kills his lower back and swing - thats his prerogative...

if he wants to take a longer break in between bodyparts to stare at some chicks ass, again - thats his prerogative..

I get so tired of seeing everyone in the dog pound jump on someone's nuts for absolutely nothing.

sorry i picked on you njmeat

MX_Ivanko · 05-30-2008, 08:16 PM

^^^maybe because two of the people in this thread have avatars of babies flicking someone off

njmeat · 05-31-2008, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fade

I honestly don't understand why so many people get worked up about this type of thing... There are so many things in life beyond bodybuilding. If he wants to golf on the weekends and deads kills his lower back and swing - thats his prerogative...

if he wants to take a longer break in between bodyparts to stare at some chicks ass, again - thats his prerogative..

I get so tired of seeing everyone in the dog pound jump on someone's nuts for absolutely nothing.

sorry i picked on you njmeat

its aight man I'm not the sensitive type you didn't hurt my feelings

...honestly I just happened to wake up on the wrong side of the rock that day and ironically just checked up on another thread where some dude wanted to improve his golf game...also I'm all for catchin a glance of a nice rump roast if I'm in between sets or somethin...however I would never let it throw off my focus or actually hit on a chick while training

Quote:

Originally Posted by MX_Ivanko

^^^maybe because two of the people in this thread have avatars of babies flicking someone off

Honestly...the only thing better than a picture of a baby giving the finger is MAYBE, just maybe, a picture of a hot blonde chick wit her boobies pushed up to her chin holding a couple mugs of beer

1968 GTO · 05-31-2008, 10:48 PM

I shot an 81 today, lowest round I've had in 2 years, so I'm sticking with the hypers. I have no lower back pain as I type this, which is awesome considering how hard I swing.

The rope pushdowns do need to be replaced by close-grip benches. My triceps weren't sore at all after my workout.

And at my age, if a babe wants to talk, I"M TALKING ! (just don't tell my wife)

I take weightlifting very seriously, but unless you're a pro bodybuilder or olympic lifter, there's more to life than just weights.

Tight Five · 05-31-2008, 11:15 PM

That's not great for 9 holes

I crack myself up

kroxic · 06-01-2008, 12:22 AM

The reason people always jump on people who mention things like golf here or martial arts here or who knows what(fencing?) is because of what DC training is about in the first place. This is not some program designed to increase your bench and get you bigger arms or something like that. The basis of DC training is to do one thing: Put as much mass on someone in the shortest time possible.

Now, the program is not just the training its the heavy eating, the training, the supplements, the crazy mental attitude to push your body to the limits, AND REST!!!!!!

Everyone seems to get all gung ho about those and I think a lot of people are forgetting about rest.

Yes these are other things out there besides bodybuilding for most people, which is exactly why most people shouldnt be doing DC. DC works with extremes to break new grounds with soemones body but all these people come in thinking they are hardcore and they can take DC along with X and Y and Z on tuesday nights and weekends. So this is why people tell you to reconsider DC training because they are trying to give you advice on what will be best for you. The last thing DC training needs is for someone to knowing go and try DC while trying to water it down to "fit" their needs and then come back and say DC is crap and it didnt work. Then the people has some horror story about how bad it is and everyone is unhappy.

The most important thing for everyone to understand before you start DC training is that it was NOT designed for the masses. It is designed to use every aspect of your time and body in way to build the most muscle. Period.

GTO:
I noticed that you mentioned your age. I dont know how old you are but you may want to check out Dante's 34+ bodybuilders post in the dogg pound

30 minutes strikes me as a very short workout as well. I can barely get my chest shoulder tri done in 30 without stretching sometimes. You might want to pay attention to how hard you are really pushing to fight out those extra failure reps because I dont know of many who can recover that fast and just up and move to a new exercise.

This thread is a good read for everyone on the board and there might be something you should check out in it if you havent already http://www.intensemuscle.com/6987-ih...eing-here.html

Lock_it_Up · 06-05-2008, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kroxic

The reason people always jump on people who mention things like golf here or martial arts here or who knows what(fencing?) is because of what DC training is about in the first place. This is not some program designed to increase your bench and get you bigger arms or something like that. The basis of DC training is to do one thing: Put as much mass on someone in the shortest time possible.

Now, the program is not just the training its the heavy eating, the training, the supplements, the crazy mental attitude to push your body to the limits, AND REST!!!!!!

Everyone seems to get all gung ho about those and I think a lot of people are forgetting about rest.

Yes these are other things out there besides bodybuilding for most people, which is exactly why most people shouldnt be doing DC. DC works with extremes to break new grounds with soemones body but all these people come in thinking they are hardcore and they can take DC along with X and Y and Z on tuesday nights and weekends. So this is why people tell you to reconsider DC training because they are trying to give you advice on what will be best for you. The last thing DC training needs is for someone to knowing go and try DC while trying to water it down to "fit" their needs and then come back and say DC is crap and it didnt work. Then the people has some horror story about how bad it is and everyone is unhappy.

The most important thing for everyone to understand before you start DC training is that it was NOT designed for the masses. It is designed to use every aspect of your time and body in way to build the most muscle. Period.

GTO:
I noticed that you mentioned your age. I dont know how old you are but you may want to check out Dante's 34+ bodybuilders post in the dogg pound

30 minutes strikes me as a very short workout as well. I can barely get my chest shoulder tri done in 30 without stretching sometimes. You might want to pay attention to how hard you are really pushing to fight out those extra failure reps because I dont know of many who can recover that fast and just up and move to a new exercise.

This thread is a good read for everyone on the board and there might be something you should check out in it if you havent already http://www.intensemuscle.com/6987-ih...eing-here.html

Excellent fucking post.

I hate to bash on anyone wanting to try DC that doesn't really meet the "requirements" that one needs, per se, for DC...but it's damn hard not to.

I mean, I know there is absolutley more to life than bodybuilding, but at the same time if you are a bodybuilder then there should be NOTHING else for some period of time, if you truly want to be good at what you do. DC is meant for the bodybuilder who wants to go to the next level...I totally agree with you Krox.

I can't imagine doing any other activity other than normal day to day/recreational stuff between DC 3 days a week and working 50hrs a week. Every extra minute I have is spent eating, sleeping, and resting.

So for those of you who read posts that "bash" new guys for jumpin on DC not knowing what they are getting into, and think "Hey, that's not fair"...maybe you need to look again at what DC is truly meant for...hate to repeat it yet again, but it is certainly not for the weekend warrior.

Just saying, I totally agree with Krox.

P.S. Ditch the hypers OP...and the pushdowns. But I am sure you already know that. And How you make a workout last only 30 mins is beyond me.

Sorry if I stepped on any toes.

NovaZ · 06-06-2008, 11:58 AM

I kind of posted in this thread and forgot about it. But this is my favorite...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1968 GTO

I shot an 81 today, lowest round I've had in 2 years, so I'm sticking with the hypers. I have no lower back pain as I type this, which is awesome considering how hard I swing.

Insinuating that the Hypers had something to do with his score being the lowest in 2 years, haha. But seriously, hypers are a waste as a Back Thickness exercise. You are pretty much wasting 1/3 of your Back Thickness exercises. If you insist on Hypers or even better Good Mornings, they would naturally go as a Hamstring move.

Also, Im no Golf expert, but its a finesse sports of sorts. Your swing should be fluent and perfect form rather than dynamic no? So "swinging hard" on a swing would be meaningless as opposed to swinging correctly no?

Lastly, great post Kroxic.

BrianB2368 · 06-06-2008, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kroxic

Yes these are other things out there besides bodybuilding for most people, which is exactly why most people shouldnt be doing DC. DC works with extremes to break new grounds with soemones body but all these people come in thinking they are hardcore and they can take DC along with X and Y and Z on tuesday nights and weekends. So this is why people tell you to reconsider DC training because they are trying to give you advice on what will be best for you. The last thing DC training needs is for someone to knowing go and try DC while trying to water it down to "fit" their needs and then come back and say DC is crap and it didnt work. Then the people has some horror story about how bad it is and everyone is unhappy.

great post Kroxic. to me thats the main thing right there.

I also lol'd when I read about the golf stuff.

At your age and experience level and hobbies I would say DC is not for you. Something that gets you into the gym and you can stay in shape with is what I would go for

1968 GTO · 06-08-2008, 12:04 PM

BrianB, I'm not asking for your opinion. You have no idea what my goals and challenges are, so keep the negative crap to yourself.
Guys, my opening of this thread was to say how pleased I was with my initial results. I have already seen gains in size to my chest, back width and triceps. I am not doing this as a weekend warrior. In fact, I train during the week because of family commitments on the weekend. I just met and trained with a 63 year old man from Spokane who came in second place at one of our state bodybuilding contests. He is 20 years older than me, so there is really no age limit of competitive bodybuilding or hard-core training. He outlined his training program, and it's way more intense than I would have thought for a man "his age".

At "my age and experience" I know better than to listen to some nay-sayers. In my opinion, if all you're doing is lifting, eating and working - you have a very shallow life. What I have also learned ""at my age" is to get out and try as many different things while not sacrificing my core goals. Even though some on this thread may not appreciate it - I will post my size and strength goals at the conclusion of my second "blast". You can judge for yourself whether or not this program worked for a hard-core 44 year old.
I will already know the results.

NovaZ · 06-08-2008, 12:40 PM

Its good to see that everything everyone said in this thread went right over your head and you've essentially wasted our effort to post and space on this message board.

I would retort but I cant say it better than Kroxic did. Especially his fourth paragraph.

grumpy stumpy · 06-08-2008, 01:04 PM

I am really glad that you have started DC training and are making gains. You have got to remember that this board has members of all ages and experience and they are trying to help; against a background of a lot of newcomers wanting to 'tweak' or modify the programme laid down by Dante. Some people have to because of time and/or job pressures but after a while it is difficult to be positive when someone is 'doing DC' but ignoring some basic principles. Good Luck - but find a different exercise if you can! please post some stats after your second blast.

wreckyou · 06-08-2008, 01:05 PM

<----spewing out a multitude of profanities followed by the tossing of my shitty dell computer out of the window as we speak.

LOL

gmarceau · 06-08-2008, 03:52 PM

I never post on this board, but I've been reading it for years and I've been technically a member for god knows how long. In fact, I've been reading stuff by Dante since cycling for pennies was on the old Anabolic Extreme board.

I think the fear on this forum is of these men's health fairies coming over thinking they've found the latest thing. It drives me nuts, too. But honestly, if these guys are actually serious about the iron game and have been spinning their wheels and suddenly they fucking "get it" as to what it comes down to, I say let them in.

Usually, I agree with you guys, but you young bucks, early twenties guys, are so caught up in this shit sometimes...

This guy wants to golf. It's fucking golf. He's a 40 yr old man. You swing a club 50 to 100 times depending on your game and use a putter. Then you drive around in a cart or maybe you get your cardio for a week and you walk. Golf is a man's game. End of story.

This isn't MMA, professional basketball, or being Men's Health twink. It's a fucking game of golf. No one is going to burn muscle and kill recovery golfing.

The other thing that drives me nuts is this whole "DC is a last resort program" well if it is, then no one in their 20's gets to use it. That includes the majority of this board. There is no way you couldn't grow more before you did DC at 20-30 yrs of age. Bullshit. I guess sharp guys like Iron Addict are completely off their rocker with their routines, since they put on mass like Dante's stuff and god forbid you try IA's modified DC work. Phil Hernon should be shot for ever modifying DC, too. If this guy shouldn't do DC, then he should do something damn close.

You guys wanted what this guy wants: one of the quickest ways to get there possibly. Low volume, rest pausing, deloading, etc. Eat enough protein, food and you're going to be a big motherfucker in a couple years. Believe it or not, DC is not the most revolutionary training program ever. What Dante did was find a way for guys to be able to train hard and heavy and CONSISTENTLY. Since you guys are consistent, with everything, you're growing. You guys are also pretty smart at knowing how to change things up to keep you growing.

GTO 1968, you better not be a pussy after all this. And really, I'm a nice guy.

1968 GTO · 06-13-2008, 03:44 PM

Thanks Gmarceau.
My squat workout was easy to get motivated for yesterday. I did 395 x 12 and 345 x 18. I just imagined BrianB and NovaZ were on my back and the weights went up like helium.

Anybody ever heard of Albert Beckles? Wasn't he 48 or 49 when he won Mr. Universe?

I'm a nice guy too - some of the time. Gotta go! Tiger is teeing off in 10 minutes.

ironjim53113 · 06-20-2008, 03:47 PM

why would you do dc training to improve your golf game which doesn't sound good to begin with. are you mental dude or just plain stupid.

05-30-2008, 03:40 PM	#1
1968 GTO New Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gig Harbor, WA Posts: 17	20 lb. increase after first rotation I just did my second "1A" workout - Incline bench, rope pushdown, db shoulder press, rack pullups, hypers. I moved up my Incline bench from 225 x 12 (8 +2 +2) on the first workout, 2 weeks ago, to 245 x 12 (8 + 2 +2) today. This is the biggest jump I have had on my bench in a long, long time. My last warmup set was at 205, and it felt so light that I decided to put 245 on and go for it. It sure is nice to get in and out of the gym in 30 minutes ! If I keep seeing results this good, I will post my start/finish weights at the end of my 8 week "blast". Thanks Dante & Wojo ! __________________ "He kept coming after they blew the whistle, so I just threw it at his nuts. Respect THAT" - Joe Montana

05-30-2008, 03:59 PM	#2
NovaZ Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,211	A few things stand out... Your order is incorrect. Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back Width, Back Thickness. Rope Pushdowns? Hyperextensions? Poor choices for Triceps and Back Thickness. Triceps have 4-5 staples (CGBP, RGBP, Skullcrushers, Dips. Some include PJR Pullovers in this category). Every good triceps exercise DC style is going to cater around those movements. And Back Thickness has one of the most abundant selections of exercises none of which are hyperextensions. And a 2-Way Split workout in under 30 minutes? Something is off about that to me. Do some more reading, my friend. Hope this helped. __________________ "Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesnt matter. Start doing and believing in the stuff that works, and do it today and forever. You want science and studies? Fuck you. Ive got scars and blood and vomit." - Jim Wendler Have my posts helped you out? Then help me out by using the Discount Code DLJ115 at TrueProtein to get 5% off your total order.

05-30-2008, 05:16 PM	#5
1968 GTO New Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gig Harbor, WA Posts: 17	Thanks for the replies - I guess??? I should have listed shoulders before tris. I do rack deads and T-bars on my other two workouts for back thickness. I selected hypers knowing that this was a lower back exercise that would help my back while golfing. I am doing 90 second stretches after each set as shown in the DVD. I stay focused at the gym and get my work done - unless there's some hotties to talk to. I can't see how each workout would last longer than 40 minutes. I have 5 work sets, warm ups for each and then four 90 second stretches. __________________ "He kept coming after they blew the whistle, so I just threw it at his nuts. Respect THAT" - Joe Montana

05-30-2008, 05:21 PM	#6
milkstud Heavyweight Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Redding, CA AND Salina, KS Posts: 1,802	Change Hypers to deadlifts , or maybe Bent over rows... __________________ I'm a POOR COLLEGE STUDENT and you need protein, SO DO IT!!!Use my discount code kyb999 at www.trueprotein.com to get 5% off the top protein avaliable. 10% off if you order 16lbs or more!! Re: Smith Machines: "shit all over them and make their frames tremble when you approach"- Sanatus My Journal: http://www.intensemuscle.com/27817-m...ournal-16.html

05-30-2008, 06:46 PM	#7
bouncer dave Intense Muscle Vet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: melbourne australia Posts: 3,519	length of wo depends on how advance you are- how heavy you lift- how many w-ups sets you need. __________________ "The guy with the biggest butt lifts the biggest weights." — Paul Anderson

05-30-2008, 04:28 PM	#4
grumpy stumpy Bantamweight Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 193	I don't think you can be too specific BUT if you are doing warm-up sets and working hard on the main sets (whether straight reps or RP) I would doubt if (after stretching) you could get through a session in under 45 minutes? Personally I aim to be under 60 minutes even on the chest/shoulder etc days but not by much

05-30-2008, 08:16 PM	#11
MX_Ivanko Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: University Of Texas at Austin Posts: 955	^^^maybe because two of the people in this thread have avatars of babies flicking someone off __________________ I've been a DC'er since I started training, only problem is I've only been cruising...

05-31-2008, 10:48 PM	#13
1968 GTO New Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gig Harbor, WA Posts: 17	I shot an 81 today, lowest round I've had in 2 years, so I'm sticking with the hypers. I have no lower back pain as I type this, which is awesome considering how hard I swing. The rope pushdowns do need to be replaced by close-grip benches. My triceps weren't sore at all after my workout. And at my age, if a babe wants to talk, I"M TALKING ! (just don't tell my wife) I take weightlifting very seriously, but unless you're a pro bodybuilder or olympic lifter, there's more to life than just weights. __________________ "He kept coming after they blew the whistle, so I just threw it at his nuts. Respect THAT" - Joe Montana

05-31-2008, 11:15 PM	#14
Tight Five Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 1,498	That's not great for 9 holes I crack myself up __________________ Troponin Athlete "My methods arent for the weekend quarterback and they sure arent for the beginning lifter, they never have and never will be. This is for hardcore bodybuilders ONLY, lets get that straight right here and now" - the Kayser Soze of bodybuilding My wife holds bands tied around the head board...then I pull on her hips. It still doesn't work well but I like the view - Future 6 October 2008

06-01-2008, 12:22 AM	#15
kroxic Middleweight Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Squatting Posts: 748	The reason people always jump on people who mention things like golf here or martial arts here or who knows what(fencing?) is because of what DC training is about in the first place. This is not some program designed to increase your bench and get you bigger arms or something like that. The basis of DC training is to do one thing: Put as much mass on someone in the shortest time possible. Now, the program is not just the training its the heavy eating, the training, the supplements, the crazy mental attitude to push your body to the limits, AND REST!!!!!! Everyone seems to get all gung ho about those and I think a lot of people are forgetting about rest. Yes these are other things out there besides bodybuilding for most people, which is exactly why most people shouldnt be doing DC. DC works with extremes to break new grounds with soemones body but all these people come in thinking they are hardcore and they can take DC along with X and Y and Z on tuesday nights and weekends. So this is why people tell you to reconsider DC training because they are trying to give you advice on what will be best for you. The last thing DC training needs is for someone to knowing go and try DC while trying to water it down to "fit" their needs and then come back and say DC is crap and it didnt work. Then the people has some horror story about how bad it is and everyone is unhappy. The most important thing for everyone to understand before you start DC training is that it was NOT designed for the masses. It is designed to use every aspect of your time and body in way to build the most muscle. Period. GTO: I noticed that you mentioned your age. I dont know how old you are but you may want to check out Dante's 34+ bodybuilders post in the dogg pound 30 minutes strikes me as a very short workout as well. I can barely get my chest shoulder tri done in 30 without stretching sometimes. You might want to pay attention to how hard you are really pushing to fight out those extra failure reps because I dont know of many who can recover that fast and just up and move to a new exercise. This thread is a good read for everyone on the board and there might be something you should check out in it if you havent already http://www.intensemuscle.com/6987-ih...eing-here.html __________________ Trained and guided by The SuperDuperAwesome-O One! My 2008 DC Offseason Journal Use the code ECH436 at the checkout www.TrueProtein.com and save 5% on your order Last edited by kroxic : 06-01-2008 at 12:24 AM.

06-08-2008, 12:04 PM	#19
1968 GTO New Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gig Harbor, WA Posts: 17	BrianB, I'm not asking for your opinion. You have no idea what my goals and challenges are, so keep the negative crap to yourself. Guys, my opening of this thread was to say how pleased I was with my initial results. I have already seen gains in size to my chest, back width and triceps. I am not doing this as a weekend warrior. In fact, I train during the week because of family commitments on the weekend. I just met and trained with a 63 year old man from Spokane who came in second place at one of our state bodybuilding contests. He is 20 years older than me, so there is really no age limit of competitive bodybuilding or hard-core training. He outlined his training program, and it's way more intense than I would have thought for a man "his age". At "my age and experience" I know better than to listen to some nay-sayers. In my opinion, if all you're doing is lifting, eating and working - you have a very shallow life. What I have also learned ""at my age" is to get out and try as many different things while not sacrificing my core goals. Even though some on this thread may not appreciate it - I will post my size and strength goals at the conclusion of my second "blast". You can judge for yourself whether or not this program worked for a hard-core 44 year old. I will already know the results. __________________ "He kept coming after they blew the whistle, so I just threw it at his nuts. Respect THAT" - Joe Montana

06-08-2008, 12:40 PM	#20
NovaZ Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,211	Its good to see that everything everyone said in this thread went right over your head and you've essentially wasted our effort to post and space on this message board. I would retort but I cant say it better than Kroxic did. Especially his fourth paragraph. __________________ "Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesnt matter. Start doing and believing in the stuff that works, and do it today and forever. You want science and studies? Fuck you. Ive got scars and blood and vomit." - Jim Wendler Have my posts helped you out? Then help me out by using the Discount Code DLJ115 at TrueProtein to get 5% off your total order.

06-08-2008, 01:04 PM	#21
grumpy stumpy Bantamweight Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 193	I am really glad that you have started DC training and are making gains. You have got to remember that this board has members of all ages and experience and they are trying to help; against a background of a lot of newcomers wanting to 'tweak' or modify the programme laid down by Dante. Some people have to because of time and/or job pressures but after a while it is difficult to be positive when someone is 'doing DC' but ignoring some basic principles. Good Luck - but find a different exercise if you can! please post some stats after your second blast.

06-08-2008, 01:05 PM	#22
wreckyou New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 26	<----spewing out a multitude of profanities followed by the tossing of my shitty dell computer out of the window as we speak. LOL

06-08-2008, 03:52 PM	#23
gmarceau New Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 8	I never post on this board, but I've been reading it for years and I've been technically a member for god knows how long. In fact, I've been reading stuff by Dante since cycling for pennies was on the old Anabolic Extreme board. I think the fear on this forum is of these men's health fairies coming over thinking they've found the latest thing. It drives me nuts, too. But honestly, if these guys are actually serious about the iron game and have been spinning their wheels and suddenly they fucking "get it" as to what it comes down to, I say let them in. Usually, I agree with you guys, but you young bucks, early twenties guys, are so caught up in this shit sometimes... This guy wants to golf. It's fucking golf. He's a 40 yr old man. You swing a club 50 to 100 times depending on your game and use a putter. Then you drive around in a cart or maybe you get your cardio for a week and you walk. Golf is a man's game. End of story. This isn't MMA, professional basketball, or being Men's Health twink. It's a fucking game of golf. No one is going to burn muscle and kill recovery golfing. The other thing that drives me nuts is this whole "DC is a last resort program" well if it is, then no one in their 20's gets to use it. That includes the majority of this board. There is no way you couldn't grow more before you did DC at 20-30 yrs of age. Bullshit. I guess sharp guys like Iron Addict are completely off their rocker with their routines, since they put on mass like Dante's stuff and god forbid you try IA's modified DC work. Phil Hernon should be shot for ever modifying DC, too. If this guy shouldn't do DC, then he should do something damn close. You guys wanted what this guy wants: one of the quickest ways to get there possibly. Low volume, rest pausing, deloading, etc. Eat enough protein, food and you're going to be a big motherfucker in a couple years. Believe it or not, DC is not the most revolutionary training program ever. What Dante did was find a way for guys to be able to train hard and heavy and CONSISTENTLY. Since you guys are consistent, with everything, you're growing. You guys are also pretty smart at knowing how to change things up to keep you growing. GTO 1968, you better not be a pussy after all this. And really, I'm a nice guy.

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06-13-2008, 03:44 PM	#24
1968 GTO New Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Gig Harbor, WA Posts: 17	Thanks Gmarceau. My squat workout was easy to get motivated for yesterday. I did 395 x 12 and 345 x 18. I just imagined BrianB and NovaZ were on my back and the weights went up like helium. Anybody ever heard of Albert Beckles? Wasn't he 48 or 49 when he won Mr. Universe? I'm a nice guy too - some of the time. Gotta go! Tiger is teeing off in 10 minutes. __________________ "He kept coming after they blew the whistle, so I just threw it at his nuts. Respect THAT" - Joe Montana

06-20-2008, 03:47 PM	#25
ironjim53113 New Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: pittsburgh Posts: 3	why would you do dc training to improve your golf game which doesn't sound good to begin with. are you mental dude or just plain stupid.

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