Got my update on Testosterone levels - Page 2

marcv68 · 04-08-2008, 01:51 AM

Will my doc respond to my inquiry,s for a test because my energy is for crap.I work 3rd shift and workout after work.Was wondering about moving my workouts in the late afternoon

NovaZ · 04-08-2008, 02:35 PM

Sorry to hijack if this seems to be one, but Im curious.

If a person has say a natural test level of 500 (no free test level check yet) is there any endo around who will do something for him?

I mean 500 is nothing to scoff at but its not an ideal level for a 20-25 year old like say 800 or so.

KnowNothingGuy · 04-08-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaZ

Sorry to hijack if this seems to be one, but Im curious.

If a person has say a natural test level of 500 (no free test level check yet) is there any endo around who will do something for him?

I mean 500 is nothing to scoff at but its not an ideal level for a 20-25 year old like say 800 or so.

I don't know. But if you find one please let me know because as of yet I haven't round one and I have been around the 500 range since the first time I got tested back in 2001. Every doctor that I been to looks at it and says yep it's in the normal range and that is the end of the conversations. I think the only thing that would make them do something about it is if you had a previous test showing that you had been higher say in the 800 range and your level drops suddenly. My recommendation to any is have the test done in your teens regardless if you have any systems and then use the test as reference in for the future. Sure you test levels will fall as you age but they don't fall sufficiently until your 30s-40s. If they fall anytime before that then you probably have something wrong.

MilitaryMuscle · 04-08-2008, 03:36 PM

no there is no need for any medical help if you at 500 range. Your not hypogonadrial, no need for replacement. Try OTC supplements/herbs to boost your test levels. Nettle root, trib, ect.....

steve302 · 04-08-2008, 03:48 PM

I would love to get into the 500's. I am in the low 300's now. At 28 years old. Doc said its low normal but still in the normal range. He wont do anything for me.

milkstud · 04-08-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MilitaryMuscle

no there is no need for any medical help if you at 500 range. Your not hypogonadrial, no need for replacement. Try OTC supplements/herbs to boost your test levels. Nettle root, trib, ect.....

how much do these "natural" things help? ive never seen a resoundingly posotive study regarding any legal otc test booster

NovaZ · 04-08-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by steve302

I would love to get into the 500's. I am in the low 300's now. At 28 years old. Doc said its low normal but still in the normal range. He wont do anything for me.

Find a new doctor? I would think 'low 300s' constitutes under 350 and if such is the case, you have to be able to find a doctor somewhere who will do the right thing.

Vivid04 · 04-08-2008, 06:31 PM

They say the average adult male produces about 2.5 and 11mg of Test a day. I'm sure it varies with the person, but what about the average teenager?

MilitaryMuscle · 04-08-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by milkstud

how much do these "natural" things help? ive never seen a resoundingly posotive study regarding any legal otc test booster

i knew someone that was around 500 and then took nolvedex XT by Gaspari and clocked in at 1178. Its not going to put you in a muscle building enviroment but should help you feel more energized/better libido.

NovaZ · 04-08-2008, 09:28 PM

If someone is 500, 'below average', how could going up to 1178 not be conducive to adding muscle and decreasing fat?

Me being around 500, my problem isnt really libido. Its not having prolonged energy, easy fat storage, and hard strength/mass gains.

MilitaryMuscle · 04-08-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaZ

If someone is 500, 'below average', how could going up to 1178 not be conducive to adding muscle and decreasing fat?

Me being around 500, my problem isnt really libido. Its not having prolonged energy, easy fat storage, and hard strength/mass gains.

ok minimal gains fine, more so with the fat loss aspect and 500 is not below average.

Reguardless its your free test you should be checking, it doesnt matter how high your total test is if your free test is in the shitter.

NovaZ · 04-08-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MilitaryMuscle

Reguardless its your free test you should be checking, it doesnt matter how high your total test is if your free test is in the shitter.

I agree with that. I had asked my doc for a bunch of things off the top of my head test, free test, shbg, igf and others as per one of Dantes recommendations to a member of this board a while back. But for whatever reason he only ordered total test.

MilitaryMuscle · 04-08-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NovaZ

I agree with that. I had asked my doc for a bunch of things off the top of my head test, free test, shbg, igf and others as per one of Dantes recommendations to a member of this board a while back. But for whatever reason he only ordered total test.

yeah unfortunally thats how it usually goes, try to get that tested out though(to the best of you ability that is lol

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milkstud · 04-09-2008, 12:10 AM

Im planning on getting bloodwork done when i get back home at the begining of May. I want to have something done when im young so i can see where i am at later on in life. I want to do as much as possible, most importantly cholesterol and test... what else/specifically should i get done (lets assume my insurance will cover it, which it probably will)

NovaZ · 04-09-2008, 12:15 PM

There was a member goliath23, he might still be around, who was having a bunch of problems. And multiple times Dante told him to get a bunch of things tested, heres the quote.

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Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

I still think you potentially have thyroid problems and maybe even free testosterone problems. I have no idea why your spending this much money on food yet you wont take my advice on getting bloodwork for 75 to 150 bucks. I recommended that what 9 months ago and you still havent taken my advice? So to me you might of saved yourself 9 months of heartache with a "ohhh so theres the problem after all, my testosterone is 225, SHBG is very high which makes things even worse, and the doctor put me on armour thyroid"

I am going to repeat this again

Testosterone
free testosterone
igf
shbg
estro readings
TSH
T3 uptake
Thyroxine (and index)

Do you know how many guys Ive trained that I made get bloodwork where that turned out to be the problem? Do you know how many people Ive trained where it was found out that their thyroid output was a problem? Alot---so much so it has shocked me.

Ive had guys racking their brain thinking "geez I must be doing something wrong training or eating wise here".....and they come back with total testosterone at 172. Doug my partner at Trueprotein was helping this kid who couldnt make gains to save his life and was wracking his head jumping from training routine to training routine, and diet to diet....I told Doug you got to get him some bloodwork pronto. Total Testosterone? I believe it was 90 YES 90 on the normal scale of 252/350 to 852/950 (roundabouts)....the kid was 21 years old. Do you think your going to be gaining muscle with a total testosterone level of 90? No your not. Stop stalling and get the bloodwork done and post it

I dont know neccessarily the details of all those, but thats a list of the main things I go by.

milkstud · 04-09-2008, 04:02 PM

Thanks! Anything else I should get while im at it?

IronBrendan · 04-09-2008, 09:42 PM

Damn MM is like the resident HRT doc.

eeks · 06-26-2008, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by steve302

I would love to get into the 500's. I am in the low 300's now. At 28 years old. Doc said its low normal but still in the normal range. He wont do anything for me.

Give him a bunch of symptoms of low T and if he still won't treat you find one that will.
Google dr. crisler if your really interested and find his web page. I've heard people are really happy with him and he does see people out of state but doesn't take insurance.

04-08-2008, 02:35 PM	#27
NovaZ Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 818	Sorry to hijack if this seems to be one, but Im curious. If a person has say a natural test level of 500 (no free test level check yet) is there any endo around who will do something for him? I mean 500 is nothing to scoff at but its not an ideal level for a 20-25 year old like say 800 or so. __________________ Now I'm afraid of open water But I often bathe in sin Let's be honest, you know you shouldn't bother 'Cuz with me, it's impossible to win Have my posts helped you out? Then help me out by using the Discount Code DLJ115 at TrueProtein to get 5% off your total order.

04-08-2008, 03:36 PM	#29
MilitaryMuscle Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Norfolk VA Posts: 3,776	no there is no need for any medical help if you at 500 range. Your not hypogonadrial, no need for replacement. Try OTC supplements/herbs to boost your test levels. Nettle root, trib, ect..... __________________ "BBing should be a lifetime pursuit or are you are missing the point . Make that in your plans from the very begining .Take it as far as you wish [ and genetics will allow ] , but don't miss what bbing is suposed to be about .Or you really will be missing out ....." - IABADMAN Use JSB982 as your discount code at trueprotein.com and recieve 5% discount on all orders.

04-08-2008, 06:31 PM	#33
Vivid04 Lightweight Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manoa, HI Posts: 453	They say the average adult male produces about 2.5 and 11mg of Test a day. I'm sure it varies with the person, but what about the average teenager? __________________ Highest Quality, Lowest Prices, TrueProtein.com! Enter JYW899 at checkout and recieve 5% off your entire order! Working with ParadiseCup and IslandGirl. Team SKIP! Cheeee Heeee!!!

04-08-2008, 09:28 PM	#35
NovaZ Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 818	If someone is 500, 'below average', how could going up to 1178 not be conducive to adding muscle and decreasing fat? Me being around 500, my problem isnt really libido. Its not having prolonged energy, easy fat storage, and hard strength/mass gains. __________________ Now I'm afraid of open water But I often bathe in sin Let's be honest, you know you shouldn't bother 'Cuz with me, it's impossible to win Have my posts helped you out? Then help me out by using the Discount Code DLJ115 at TrueProtein to get 5% off your total order.

04-09-2008, 12:10 AM	#39
milkstud Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Redding, CA AND Salina, KS Posts: 1,184	Im planning on getting bloodwork done when i get back home at the begining of May. I want to have something done when im young so i can see where i am at later on in life. I want to do as much as possible, most importantly cholesterol and test... what else/specifically should i get done (lets assume my insurance will cover it, which it probably will) __________________ I'm a POOR COLLEGE STUDENT and you need protein, SO DO IT!!!Use my discount code kyb999 at www.trueprotein.com to get 5% off the top protein avaliable. 10% off if you order 16lbs or more!! Re: Smith Machines: "shit all over them and make their frames tremble when you approach"- Sanatus My Journal: http://www.intensemuscle.com/27817-m...ournal-16.html

04-08-2008, 01:51 AM	#26
marcv68 New Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2	Will my doc respond to my inquiry,s for a test because my energy is for crap.I work 3rd shift and workout after work.Was wondering about moving my workouts in the late afternoon

04-08-2008, 03:48 PM	#30
steve302 New Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 52	I would love to get into the 500's. I am in the low 300's now. At 28 years old. Doc said its low normal but still in the normal range. He wont do anything for me.

04-09-2008, 04:02 PM	#41
milkstud Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Redding, CA AND Salina, KS Posts: 1,184	Thanks! Anything else I should get while im at it? __________________ I'm a POOR COLLEGE STUDENT and you need protein, SO DO IT!!!Use my discount code kyb999 at www.trueprotein.com to get 5% off the top protein avaliable. 10% off if you order 16lbs or more!! Re: Smith Machines: "shit all over them and make their frames tremble when you approach"- Sanatus My Journal: http://www.intensemuscle.com/27817-m...ournal-16.html

04-09-2008, 09:42 PM	#42
IronBrendan Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: University of Florida Posts: 6,821	Damn MM is like the resident HRT doc. __________________ "Intensity is finite, volume is finite, weights are infinite." - DC "Everyone seems to think having a strict diet is hardcore. Wrong! It’s so easy. There is no strain or effort. You just follow the damn diet! Hardcore is stuffing your face to the point where you feel like you’re going to pop and then going to get a milkshake." --Dave "Fuckin'" Tate Get 5% OFF at trueprotein.com with Discount Code: BTR777 Formerly El_Animal

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