Need honest critique/assessment (Pics and Video attached)

Nikkiboy · 12-29-2006, 01:36 AM

Barbell Rows (Dec 28, 2006)

YouTube Video

I think I am rounding my back, but I want to hear some honest critique on my form. Please don't hold back. Skip where you at?

Pics (Dec 28, 2006)

Age: 21
Height: 5 11"
Weight: 232lb

I want to get into natural shows, by summer/or fall. Something small and local to start with. All advice is welcome, don't hesitate with anything.

Jerzey · 12-29-2006, 04:58 AM

need pix of the legs man

form i will say wasnt 100% but i wont get into detail i will let someone like Skip or SuperD comment

La Mouche · 12-29-2006, 09:02 AM

You're looking good.

I like the third pic the most (back double biceps).
Your arms are good especially your triceps, also with big and round delts.
I'd like to see the wheels, but you seem to have solid glutes.
It'd cool to see how you'd look a little bit leaner.
I say this from the pics, so I can be wrong, but if you had to improve something, IMO you could focus a bit on chest and biceps and maybe some traps. I'm NOT saying there are lacks here, just for overall harmony. :-)

Anyway, I wish you best of luck for your upcoming natural shows.

Nikkiboy · 12-29-2006, 04:35 PM

Thanks for the coments. Jerzey feel free to go into detail I rather hear the truth than go on with poor form, I am not one of those people that gets upset so dish it out.

Leg pics Ill put up post New Years.

bruteforce · 12-29-2006, 04:53 PM

your back has some great detail. i have to agree that one of your main flaws is your traps. this is totally off subject, but that looks like some wicked ink you have on your arm. good luck with your show

wufwugy · 01-05-2007, 12:40 AM

sup Hunky.

looking better now than when you cut cals, got all pissy, couldn't produce teh Jizzic as well, and allowed yourself to get bitchslapped by teh PNP.

miss your trolling, mafaka. cracked me up.

**thenatural** · 01-05-2007, 12:51 AM

hey Nik,

Looking all around solid dude. your posing can use some refining but i'm guessing those were just quick snaps of yourself so...

Your physique looks good and thick dude. If you compete tho i bet you'll be in the low 190s to be in great shape. IMO your upper back/trap area needs more thickness - your delts seem to be overpowering your traps at this point on your rear bis shot. could be the washed out thing from the shitty lighting tho. arms are nice and thick - keep hammering tris hard tho. and v-taper looks pretty decent for your conditioning - it will really shape up whence you diet down. Looks solid overall tho brotha.

BB rows i don't think you're getting enough scapular contraction and extension. It looks like as you lower the weight your upper body follows instead of letting your scapular region round and extend. Then when you row upwards, your upper body again follows suit by extending backwards and your scapulae are not contracting and pulling back as i think they should. your shoulder blades should be squeezing somewhat (not to a complete peak contraction with heavy rows) back and inward at the top of your row.
I dont' mean rounding your upper back at the bottom of the rep - i'm talking about pushing your scapula outwards (like a lat spread) while keeping your chest up at the bottom of the rep, and squeezing them inward and back at the top. IMO scapular ROM is key on all back thickness movements.

Keep workin hard amigo.

Nikkiboy · 01-10-2007, 04:23 AM

234 lbs here

Barbell Curls

YouTube Video

I think I look like Eric Cartman in that vid LOL.

Nikkiboy · 01-10-2007, 04:35 AM

Thanks for all the feedback guys I really appreciate it. Natty boy very detailed

MindOverMuscle · 01-10-2007, 05:14 AM

When I do BB rows, I like to make them as hard as possible, which forces me to use less weight, which lowers my risk of injury. I like to keep my upper body as steady as possible, let my arms "hang" a bit at the bottom, then squeeze my scapula back at the top of the rep. I consider the set done when I start to bob to help the weight up.

On BB curls, I like to go for higher rep ranges (that's just me though) and I quit when my form gets to like yours was on your 3rd rep. I learned that one the hard way... Grinding out cheated positives (even though the negs were somewhat controlled) gave me a strained bicep tendon.

Stay safe.

jesus rocks · 01-10-2007, 06:31 PM

its almost funny how much your legs look like mine.

looks like your lats insert nice and low. Huge potential for growth their.

you've got some mean raccoon eyes bro, stress? partying?

Ive heard people say that they got much better results from "umphing" the weight up rather than super strict form but ive also heard the opposite. If you really want to get those traps up to snuff do face pulls for one of your back thickness exercises. Because your width is sick.

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 01-12-2007, 08:13 PM

I don't come in here as much as I should but here is my belated opinion and it might contradict some of the other feedback but that is not to say that the other feedback is wrong. You have some solid feedback in this thread so sift through it and apply what and where you feel you should.

I, personally, liked the rows very much. When I first saw the video I was impressed with the control. In MY opinion, things like rows (tbar, barbell, etc..) need to be explosive and quicker than most other exercises. It is a power move more to me than a "feel the burn" or "stretch and squeeze" type of reps. I like a powerful upward motion and a controlled negative and that is what you have in that set. On top of that, controlling that weight of 275 that well was impressive. Good numbers and even better for someone that is a natty.

Could you use more ROM at the top? Maybe. I can't tell in the video because that type of thing is very subtle and very difficult to see while watching a set. I will add that I agree with thenatural in that "finishing" reps while training back usually seperates complete back development from those that struggle with back development.

I would also add that there may have been a couple more reps had you used a little momentum in the end. Dangerous? Certainly is more of a gamble than not taking the set further to the point of failure but, then again, sitting on your couch is safer than training in the gym, too. ; )

As for your physique, at your age and being natural, again I am impressed. You have a good deal of muscle and I think peeled you would do very well in a natural show.

Love the ink, as well.

Skip

Nikkiboy · 01-15-2007, 05:59 AM

Thank you guys, I am printing this up thanks for all the replies

I uploaded all the videos from my cam, check them out if you like.

YouTube Video

YouTube Video

**thenatural** · 01-15-2007, 01:32 PM

SIC rows bro...........say by any chance is your training partner that russian astronaut from the movie Armagaddeon??

receptorpoints · 03-21-2007, 01:29 AM

great tat..
stay natty. lookin good.

StudHammer · 04-15-2007, 09:53 PM

Have you ever tried the Yates' style rows with the reverse grip? Me personally, I don't get shit out of overhand rows, but the minute I do them reverse grip it's all back.

Your form looks good to me on the rows. On the BBell curls I'd cut your rep short a few inches to keep constant tension on the biceps. When you "rollover" at the top part people have a tendency to rest the biceps. Keep the tension on the biceps, it make the exercise harder.

johnnieo · 04-17-2007, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StudHammer

Have you ever tried the Yates' style rows with the reverse grip? Me personally, I don't get shit out of overhand rows, but the minute I do them reverse grip it's all back.

Your form looks good to me on the rows. On the BBell curls I'd cut your rep short a few inches to keep constant tension on the biceps. When you "rollover" at the top part people have a tendency to rest the biceps. Keep the tension on the biceps, it make the exercise harder.

I also prefer the underhand to the overhand grip.

You got a good natty build. Just keep training hard and eating right.

12-29-2006, 04:58 AM	#2
Jerzey Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 827	need pix of the legs man form i will say wasnt 100% but i wont get into detail i will let someone like Skip or SuperD comment __________________ Discount code BDM999 By using Jerzey's code you will experience service that is unsurpassed, I take the guess work out of saving you money!

12-29-2006, 09:02 AM	#3
La Mouche New Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 82	You're looking good. I like the third pic the most (back double biceps). Your arms are good especially your triceps, also with big and round delts. I'd like to see the wheels, but you seem to have solid glutes. It'd cool to see how you'd look a little bit leaner. I say this from the pics, so I can be wrong, but if you had to improve something, IMO you could focus a bit on chest and biceps and maybe some traps. I'm NOT saying there are lacks here, just for overall harmony. :-) Anyway, I wish you best of luck for your upcoming natural shows. __________________ _ Phil.

01-05-2007, 12:51 AM	#7
thenatural Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Just around the bend. Posts: 8,626	hey Nik, Looking all around solid dude. your posing can use some refining but i'm guessing those were just quick snaps of yourself so... Your physique looks good and thick dude. If you compete tho i bet you'll be in the low 190s to be in great shape. IMO your upper back/trap area needs more thickness - your delts seem to be overpowering your traps at this point on your rear bis shot. could be the washed out thing from the shitty lighting tho. arms are nice and thick - keep hammering tris hard tho. and v-taper looks pretty decent for your conditioning - it will really shape up whence you diet down. Looks solid overall tho brotha. BB rows i don't think you're getting enough scapular contraction and extension. It looks like as you lower the weight your upper body follows instead of letting your scapular region round and extend. Then when you row upwards, your upper body again follows suit by extending backwards and your scapulae are not contracting and pulling back as i think they should. your shoulder blades should be squeezing somewhat (not to a complete peak contraction with heavy rows) back and inward at the top of your row. I dont' mean rounding your upper back at the bottom of the rep - i'm talking about pushing your scapula outwards (like a lat spread) while keeping your chest up at the bottom of the rep, and squeezing them inward and back at the top. IMO scapular ROM is key on all back thickness movements. Keep workin hard amigo. __________________ weight training and nutrition are two very simple endeavors. In fact, they are both primal instincts we are born with. Too many people are making this stuff way too complicated. Keep it simple and basic. It works every time. Hard work and consistency always pay big dividends. -exmgq Be Cool. Stay in School. And use the code JCK333 at your trueprotein checkout to save 5% on your entire order.

01-10-2007, 05:14 AM	#10
MindOverMuscle Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,188	When I do BB rows, I like to make them as hard as possible, which forces me to use less weight, which lowers my risk of injury. I like to keep my upper body as steady as possible, let my arms "hang" a bit at the bottom, then squeeze my scapula back at the top of the rep. I consider the set done when I start to bob to help the weight up. On BB curls, I like to go for higher rep ranges (that's just me though) and I quit when my form gets to like yours was on your 3rd rep. I learned that one the hard way... Grinding out cheated positives (even though the negs were somewhat controlled) gave me a strained bicep tendon. Stay safe. __________________ "Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit." - Aristotle

01-10-2007, 06:31 PM	#11
jesus rocks Heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: With Mrs. JR trying to find good deals on meat Posts: 2,208	its almost funny how much your legs look like mine. looks like your lats insert nice and low. Huge potential for growth their. you've got some mean raccoon eyes bro, stress? partying? Ive heard people say that they got much better results from "umphing" the weight up rather than super strict form but ive also heard the opposite. If you really want to get those traps up to snuff do face pulls for one of your back thickness exercises. Because your width is sick. __________________ There are only three reasons why you may not like the Whopper. * You hate America and your parents. * You enjoy killing puppies. * You are not awesome I would highly recommend that all first dates happen at Burger King. Order your new girl/guy a Whopper. If he or she refuses feel free to yell, "You are a lame dog killing terrosist!" TRUE PROTEIN DISCOUNT CODE: SDM333. PLEASE USE IT

12-29-2006, 04:35 PM	#4
Nikkiboy Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,201	Thanks for the coments. Jerzey feel free to go into detail I rather hear the truth than go on with poor form, I am not one of those people that gets upset so dish it out. Leg pics Ill put up post New Years.

12-29-2006, 04:53 PM	#5
bruteforce New Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: on the road Posts: 31	your back has some great detail. i have to agree that one of your main flaws is your traps. this is totally off subject, but that looks like some wicked ink you have on your arm. good luck with your show

01-05-2007, 12:40 AM	#6
wufwugy New Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1	sup Hunky. looking better now than when you cut cals, got all pissy, couldn't produce teh Jizzic as well, and allowed yourself to get bitchslapped by teh PNP. miss your trolling, mafaka. cracked me up.

01-10-2007, 04:35 AM	#9
Nikkiboy Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,201	Thanks for all the feedback guys I really appreciate it. Natty boy very detailed

01-12-2007, 08:13 PM	#12
Ken "Skip" Hill Judge, Jury and Executioner Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 13,164	I don't come in here as much as I should but here is my belated opinion and it might contradict some of the other feedback but that is not to say that the other feedback is wrong. You have some solid feedback in this thread so sift through it and apply what and where you feel you should. I, personally, liked the rows very much. When I first saw the video I was impressed with the control. In MY opinion, things like rows (tbar, barbell, etc..) need to be explosive and quicker than most other exercises. It is a power move more to me than a "feel the burn" or "stretch and squeeze" type of reps. I like a powerful upward motion and a controlled negative and that is what you have in that set. On top of that, controlling that weight of 275 that well was impressive. Good numbers and even better for someone that is a natty. Could you use more ROM at the top? Maybe. I can't tell in the video because that type of thing is very subtle and very difficult to see while watching a set. I will add that I agree with thenatural in that "finishing" reps while training back usually seperates complete back development from those that struggle with back development. I would also add that there may have been a couple more reps had you used a little momentum in the end. Dangerous? Certainly is more of a gamble than not taking the set further to the point of failure but, then again, sitting on your couch is safer than training in the gym, too. ; ) As for your physique, at your age and being natural, again I am impressed. You have a good deal of muscle and I think peeled you would do very well in a natural show. Love the ink, as well. Skip __________________ Leaner, harder, fuller, tighter, drier, more shredded, more ripped, more detail, more knowledge and more experience - Call it what you like but call on me: TEAMSKIP@IntenseMuscle.com TEAM SKIP clients get their protein from only one place: TRUEPROTEIN.com. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." - Luke 12:48

01-15-2007, 01:32 PM	#14
thenatural Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Just around the bend. Posts: 8,626	SIC rows bro...........say by any chance is your training partner that russian astronaut from the movie Armagaddeon?? __________________ weight training and nutrition are two very simple endeavors. In fact, they are both primal instincts we are born with. Too many people are making this stuff way too complicated. Keep it simple and basic. It works every time. Hard work and consistency always pay big dividends. -exmgq Be Cool. Stay in School. And use the code JCK333 at your trueprotein checkout to save 5% on your entire order.

03-21-2007, 01:29 AM	#15
receptorpoints New Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6	great tat.. stay natty. lookin good.

04-15-2007, 09:53 PM	#16
StudHammer Bantamweight Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 107	Have you ever tried the Yates' style rows with the reverse grip? Me personally, I don't get shit out of overhand rows, but the minute I do them reverse grip it's all back. Your form looks good to me on the rows. On the BBell curls I'd cut your rep short a few inches to keep constant tension on the biceps. When you "rollover" at the top part people have a tendency to rest the biceps. Keep the tension on the biceps, it make the exercise harder.

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