Pics from show u make the call...

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 08:18 PM

Hey guys, my show was this weekend. I was happy with the changes i have made over the last year. I weighed in at 192, which is 21 pounds heavier and in better shape than last, so i am very pleased with that. i am goiung to post some pics and i want to hear where u guys would place each competitor. There were only 3 in the class.

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 08:18 PM

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big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 08:20 PM

ghjmfgjk

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 08:22 PM

rhdrh

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 08:23 PM

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 08:24 PM

Lets hear it, skip, Hom, dpsquat, gerryT... how would u place these guys?

radical_P · 05-11-2004, 09:01 PM

Hard to tell by the pics. I would say that you were holding a tad bit of water. A little smooth in the abs but the other two were holding water as well. I would probably say # 47,45,46

ChuckaZulu · 05-11-2004, 09:38 PM

47 1st, 46 2nd, and 45 3rd.

47 had the best conditioning and proportion

46 has the better genetics, but was not as conditioned as 47

45 can't present/pose his Leg's properly, thus I can not judge what I can not see.

You appear to be the better poser of the 3, judging from the pictures of course.

chris250 · 05-11-2004, 11:00 PM

I cant really tell with pics...Its look looking at the mags...You get a different view when your at the judging table...

chris

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 11:20 PM

Well the places were 1st to 3rd from right to left. I am not saying i am the clear cut winner, i AM saying the winner (the guy on the right is NOT). I would accept second because the guy in the middle just has a better struture than me, but the winner is not put together well, cant pose, and was still fat.

Here is what gets me, when i talked to judges, the first told me that i lacked overall size and my legs needed to come up, and that abs were soft/waist needs to come down. I agree, everyone could use more mass. She also said i need mor lat width. Now the 2nd place guy was right after me in talking to the judge, she said he had plenty of size but needed to come in harder. His legs, she said were big, but smooth.

I know alot of people bitch about the judging and they should have won, but this show was seriously lopsided! It was put on by Ty 'ropeman' Felder, and there were several cases where the lesser bodybuilder got the win because of his skin color, black.

I am not sying i should have won, but the polotics of this show were terrible! now i really see why so many people get fed up with competing. The people running the show were absolute dicks to everyone, had no concept of time as far as letting the comp. know when to start pumping up. they would tell them to pump up then make them stand in line for 25-30 min and not do anything but stand there. You dont know how many times i heard 'if u dont have the muscle by now theres nothing u can do about it, stay in line!'

One of my friends had her husband kicked out of prejudging because on the website it said u could have one person help u with ur tanning stuff, and when he tried to go back they wouldnt let him and wouldnt even acknowledge him. he said, ' What hell is going on' to Ropeman and he kicked him out, had him escorted and he could not get his bags or let her out of the pump up room to tell her or get the bags!

Overall it was a very bad and discouraging experience. But like i said, i did improve alot on last years condition and will continue to do so. So i am pleased with how i looked even though i messed up the water. I will get right in time.

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 11:27 PM

A few from between PJ and night...

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 11:28 PM

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 11:28 PM

midwtchamp · 05-11-2004, 11:34 PM

You should had taken first.....but since this is critical physique assesment I would get a thinner waist lol or work on your back width also you need to kill your upper pecs other than that you got screwed! I talked to DP on the phone and he was telling me bout this and damn you got ass raped!

big_byrd52 · 05-11-2004, 11:47 PM

Yeah, my goals for this offseason are to not get over 12% bf, bring up my upper chest/ front delts. overall leg size and deeper abs. Of course overall muscle growth as well, but those are my primary focus.

GerryT · 05-12-2004, 01:25 AM

Saw it same as Chuck, 47, 46, then 45.

You seem to the best balanced and conditioned and also posed the best. Like Chris says, it's hard to go by photos. But this is from what I see here.

Think you have the right focus for the future. And you should be proud of yourself for a job well done, politics notwithstanding.

BigWilly · 05-12-2004, 02:28 AM

I'd say you should have won. For sure.

btw, sick vascularity...looks like Paul Dillett!

The guy who took first might have have better hams and chest...but that was about it. And I say maybe b/c I wasn't at the show, hard to judge from here.

This is why bb discourages me...poor judging. But what can you do?

You know in your heart you gave it your all and were the best on stage, so that in itself is a GREAT victory. CONGRATS!

Things to work on, well I think you already know. So best wishes!

BW

**homonunculus** · 05-12-2004, 09:54 AM

As Chris said, its really tough to tell from these kinds of pics. (The lighting looks pretty shitty, to me...).

It does look very close, though.

The guy on the right (who won) does not look fat to me. In fact, he looks like the best conditioned BB'er there. He also looks like he can't pose too well, though. (The relaxed pose from the rear looks pretty bad.)

You look to have the most mass, or at least the most relative to your height. You're also the best poser, from what I can see. (Again, hard to tell, b/c some photos catch people before they've hit the pose...)

The middle competitor does have good structure, but not the conditioning or leg mass of you and the winner. Its not about what you can look like, its what you DO look like on a given day.

I can't make a call from my chair here, but I would say that you could easily make a case for being the winner.

I know what you're talking about r.e. Ropeman's shows. Those put on by Doc Neely are the same (if not worse). Trust me, I know... (Ever got to one of those shows and have it start over an HOUR after it was scheduled to?... Ridiculous.)

-R

big_byrd52 · 05-12-2004, 10:19 AM

Ever got to one of those shows and have it start over an HOUR after it was scheduled to?... Ridiculous.)

yeah, this one!

**KidRok's Lady** · 05-12-2004, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by big_byrd52
....One of my friends had her husband kicked out of prejudging because on the website it said u could have one person help u with ur tanning stuff, and when he tried to go back they wouldnt let him and wouldnt even acknowledge him. he said, ' What hell is going on' to Ropeman and he kicked him out, had him escorted and he could not get his bags or let her out of the pump up room to tell her or get the bags!......

I've had this happen to me a couple of times. So I don't even try to get backstage anymore.

I placed you 1st or 2nd from the pics & my experience with watching many, many shows.

Your abs look better in the outdoor shots than in the show pics. So yes, very hard to tell from pics.

If you love the sport, don't get too discouraged from one bad show. Go kick some ass the next time.

dpsquat · 05-14-2004, 08:29 AM

maybe its racial profiling

**SweatMachine** · 05-16-2004, 02:19 PM

I saw a special on glacial profiling on the discovery channel, they could actually tell which glacier was going to move the fastes and melt the fastest based upon its density and relative location to a large body of water....... next week they're have a special on endangered feces that I dont want to miss. I love that Discovery channel!

MsteveM · 05-16-2004, 10:34 PM

my opinion is blue, yellow, black in that order. looking good big byrd.

**Trulyhuge** · 05-16-2004, 10:59 PM

From what I se I think you got screwed!!! I am being totally 100% honest too! I know being at a show is different but those pics show enough IMO!

05-11-2004, 08:18 PM	#1
big_byrd52 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 202	Pics from show u make the call... Hey guys, my show was this weekend. I was happy with the changes i have made over the last year. I weighed in at 192, which is 21 pounds heavier and in better shape than last, so i am very pleased with that. i am goiung to post some pics and i want to hear where u guys would place each competitor. There were only 3 in the class.

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big_byrd52 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 202	Lets hear it, skip, Hom, dpsquat, gerryT... how would u place these guys? __________________ Follow your dreams but dont let your life become one. -Vander V

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radical_P Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 17	Hard to tell by the pics. I would say that you were holding a tad bit of water. A little smooth in the abs but the other two were holding water as well. I would probably say # 47,45,46 __________________ MOD@Beyondmass.com MOD @WorldClassbodybuilding.com MOD@ Chemicalfitness.com Physical Therapist

05-11-2004, 09:38 PM	#9
ChuckaZulu Middleweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 539	47 1st, 46 2nd, and 45 3rd. 47 had the best conditioning and proportion 46 has the better genetics, but was not as conditioned as 47 45 can't present/pose his Leg's properly, thus I can not judge what I can not see. You appear to be the better poser of the 3, judging from the pictures of course.

05-11-2004, 11:00 PM	#10
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05-11-2004, 11:20 PM	#11
big_byrd52 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 202	Well the places were 1st to 3rd from right to left. I am not saying i am the clear cut winner, i AM saying the winner (the guy on the right is NOT). I would accept second because the guy in the middle just has a better struture than me, but the winner is not put together well, cant pose, and was still fat. Here is what gets me, when i talked to judges, the first told me that i lacked overall size and my legs needed to come up, and that abs were soft/waist needs to come down. I agree, everyone could use more mass. She also said i need mor lat width. Now the 2nd place guy was right after me in talking to the judge, she said he had plenty of size but needed to come in harder. His legs, she said were big, but smooth. I know alot of people bitch about the judging and they should have won, but this show was seriously lopsided! It was put on by Ty 'ropeman' Felder, and there were several cases where the lesser bodybuilder got the win because of his skin color, black. I am not sying i should have won, but the polotics of this show were terrible! now i really see why so many people get fed up with competing. The people running the show were absolute dicks to everyone, had no concept of time as far as letting the comp. know when to start pumping up. they would tell them to pump up then make them stand in line for 25-30 min and not do anything but stand there. You dont know how many times i heard 'if u dont have the muscle by now theres nothing u can do about it, stay in line!' One of my friends had her husband kicked out of prejudging because on the website it said u could have one person help u with ur tanning stuff, and when he tried to go back they wouldnt let him and wouldnt even acknowledge him. he said, ' What hell is going on' to Ropeman and he kicked him out, had him escorted and he could not get his bags or let her out of the pump up room to tell her or get the bags! Overall it was a very bad and discouraging experience. But like i said, i did improve alot on last years condition and will continue to do so. So i am pleased with how i looked even though i messed up the water. I will get right in time. __________________ Follow your dreams but dont let your life become one. -Vander V

05-11-2004, 11:27 PM	#12
big_byrd52 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 202	A few from between PJ and night...

05-11-2004, 11:28 PM	#13
big_byrd52 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 202	ghh

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05-11-2004, 11:34 PM	#15
midwtchamp Bantamweight Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 161	You should had taken first.....but since this is critical physique assesment I would get a thinner waist lol or work on your back width also you need to kill your upper pecs other than that you got screwed! I talked to DP on the phone and he was telling me bout this and damn you got ass raped! __________________ Short mod @ www.beyondmass.com

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05-11-2004, 11:47 PM	#16
big_byrd52 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 202	Yeah, my goals for this offseason are to not get over 12% bf, bring up my upper chest/ front delts. overall leg size and deeper abs. Of course overall muscle growth as well, but those are my primary focus. __________________ Follow your dreams but dont let your life become one. -Vander V

05-12-2004, 01:25 AM	#17
GerryT NPC Judge Join Date: May 2004 Location: New York, USA Posts: 469	Saw it same as Chuck, 47, 46, then 45. You seem to the best balanced and conditioned and also posed the best. Like Chris says, it's hard to go by photos. But this is from what I see here. Think you have the right focus for the future. And you should be proud of yourself for a job well done, politics notwithstanding.

05-12-2004, 02:28 AM	#18
BigWilly Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Here and There Posts: 922	I'd say you should have won. For sure. btw, sick vascularity...looks like Paul Dillett! The guy who took first might have have better hams and chest...but that was about it. And I say maybe b/c I wasn't at the show, hard to judge from here. This is why bb discourages me...poor judging. But what can you do? You know in your heart you gave it your all and were the best on stage, so that in itself is a GREAT victory. CONGRATS! Things to work on, well I think you already know. So best wishes! BW __________________ Where the world's elite athletes get their supplements: www.trueprotein.com BW

05-12-2004, 09:54 AM	#19
homonunculus Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 9,333	As Chris said, its really tough to tell from these kinds of pics. (The lighting looks pretty shitty, to me...). It does look very close, though. The guy on the right (who won) does not look fat to me. In fact, he looks like the best conditioned BB'er there. He also looks like he can't pose too well, though. (The relaxed pose from the rear looks pretty bad.) You look to have the most mass, or at least the most relative to your height. You're also the best poser, from what I can see. (Again, hard to tell, b/c some photos catch people before they've hit the pose...) The middle competitor does have good structure, but not the conditioning or leg mass of you and the winner. Its not about what you can look like, its what you DO look like on a given day. I can't make a call from my chair here, but I would say that you could easily make a case for being the winner. I know what you're talking about r.e. Ropeman's shows. Those put on by Doc Neely are the same (if not worse). Trust me, I know... (Ever got to one of those shows and have it start over an HOUR after it was scheduled to?... Ridiculous.) -R __________________ NOW AVAILABLE: DAVE HENRY - XTREME MEASURES VIDEO!!! <<<WATCH THE TRAILER>>> -------- FOR THE ABSOLUTELY HIGHEST QUALITY SUPPLEMENTS...AT THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST PRICE... www.trueprotein.com

05-12-2004, 10:19 AM	#20
big_byrd52 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 202	Ever got to one of those shows and have it start over an HOUR after it was scheduled to?... Ridiculous.) yeah, this one! __________________ Follow your dreams but dont let your life become one. -Vander V

05-14-2004, 08:29 AM	#22
dpsquat Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 185	hmmm maybe its racial profiling

05-16-2004, 02:19 PM	#23
SweatMachine Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If my foot was up your ass, you'd know exactly where I was ! Posts: 7,523	I saw a special on glacial profiling on the discovery channel, they could actually tell which glacier was going to move the fastes and melt the fastest based upon its density and relative location to a large body of water....... next week they're have a special on endangered feces that I dont want to miss. I love that Discovery channel! __________________ SweatMachine (pronounced: Swet-Mow-Sheen) "I've got blood on my hands and there's no remorse" email: intense-fitness@hotmail.com Trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price

05-16-2004, 10:34 PM	#24
MsteveM DC Q & A Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,968	my opinion is blue, yellow, black in that order. looking good big byrd. __________________ www.trueprotein.com www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/ "Those who do not beleive in the impossible, should not distract those who are already doing it" "if we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" Note: i'm not an expert, but i'm probably right. "Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine." - the skeptic's dictionary about urine therapy.

05-16-2004, 10:59 PM	#25
Trulyhuge Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,523	From what I se I think you got screwed!!! I am being totally 100% honest too! I know being at a show is different but those pics show enough IMO! __________________ "We should not have to push you to work hard, you should work hard because you want to be a great player." - Bobby Knight

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