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**SuperSport** · 05-19-2004, 01:18 AM

Sure thing man. The oxygen tank is no problem...finding a bike, geez.......

MsteveM · 05-19-2004, 01:28 AM

just go to the gym!

**SuperSport** · 05-19-2004, 01:31 AM

LOL. If I get rigged up on oxygen at the gym all kinds of people will freak out.

They freak now cause I wear spandex sometimes at the gym, lol.

1980's forever !

Nothin like being a trendsetter...lol.

MsteveM · 05-19-2004, 01:36 AM

lol.. you'd go in there wearing your oxygen tank on the bike, go back the next day for your normal workout and see everyone else on bikes wearing oxygen tanks.

i bet they'd try to kick you out.

**SuperSport** · 05-19-2004, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MsteveM
lol.. you'd go in there wearing your oxygen tank on the bike, go back the next day for your normal workout and see everyone else on bikes wearing oxygen tanks.

i bet they'd try to kick you out.

Actually if people saw me in the gym wearing an oxygen tank I am sure they would say-

See!!! I told you them there STEER ROIDS would mess you up....lol

**homonunculus** · 05-19-2004, 09:45 AM

Hey Guys,

Nice exchange!

A few things... as I read along....

-Vinegar is actually acidic, not basic (acetic acid is the main component)

-Acupuncture school takes 3 solid years... The training constitutes as many hours of instruction as an undegraduate degree, but there are no summers off...

-I actually HAVE seen a guy working out in the gym wearing an oxygen tank. I was impressed as hell.

-Randy

**SuperSport** · 05-19-2004, 10:02 AM

Damn Randy...didn't realize Acupuncture school had that many hours. What kind of prerequisites are involved to get accepted??

I just may give the EWOT training a try......in the gym.

MsteveM · 05-19-2004, 11:24 AM

darn.. i was hoping to get away with a year or 2. but that does make sense b/c there are tons of different sites, meridians, and different combinations of each. they probably make you learn alot of conceptual stuff along with the actual acupuncture.

**homonunculus** · 05-19-2004, 12:27 PM

Fellas,

Prereq's vary a bit depending on the school - from as little as 60 hr at the Jr. co. or college level (equiv. to an Associates degree) along with A & P, to a Batchelor's with damn near the same set of prereq's that are required by allopathic med. schools (physics, bio, o' chem, etc.)

It's a pretty long program. You get well over a 1000 hr.s of clinical experience along the way. In many states (CA and FL, for example) you can serve as a primary care provider, just as an MD would. ITs being tossed around not to up the educational requirements even more, for this reason.

Oriental medicine is all about learning a conceptual paradigm that is the basis for your diagnosis / pattern differentiation and choice of acupoints, herbs, bodywork, and many other modalities.

The weekend courses that are offered for MD's etc., generally take the approach that a western diagnosis can be treated, for example, by using the acupoints that "treat" that disease. However, acupoints are not chosen / used based on a western diagnosis developed 1000's of years after the acupoint was discovered, or even simply by using a set of symptoms which corresponds to a particular western diagnosis.

Oriental medicine functions under totally different principles. Someone with a headache, for instance, isn't treated necessarily from the perspective of a cerebral vasospasm that causes ischemia related pain or by simply using a analgesic approach (take an aspirin and call me in the morning). It could be due to stagnation of energy (not recognized by allopathic medicine in this sense) along the channels, deficiency of "blood," accumulation of damp or phlegm, rising of "yang" from the liver, etc.

To be able to recognize, discern and appropriately treat within this paradigm takes a lifetime to learn (plus some). 3 years is just a drop in the bucket. The master's degree that makes you eligible for licensure is just enough to get ya going on training wheels... ;^)

-Randy

**SuperSport** · 05-19-2004, 01:52 PM

Randy-
Thanks for the response. I have been hoping you would pop in for a sec or 2 and lay down some material most folks have never heard of before, lol. I have always been a fan of TCM/acupuncture as opposed to Allopathic measures. Very interesting post...I am familiar with all that you speak, but hopefully posts like this will ignite some interest among the board.

The one thing you touched on briefly-and I have a good bit to post about this in the future-about western medicine's failure to recognize "biological energy" so to speak.

If you can't view it under a microscope, detect it on x-ray, or find it in an abnormal blood test/biopsy-then conventional medicine says it doesn't exist.
And worse yet...when the patients show up at the office with obvious complaints and "nothing is found" (because of the lack of diagnostic ability of the MD) then the patient is labeled "A neurotic" and likely sent to a psch doc.

Calcifications on x-ray, abnormal lab tests, biopsy-these are LATE manifestations of disease.
Disease processes begin much earlier-and are detectable by means used in Oriental medicine and others.
Of course Randy knows where I am headed with this....lol.

Something else that was interesting in Randy's post is the mentioning of MD's taking "crash" courses on weekends concerning acupuncture.....typical of our medical authorities to teach our health practioners an entire system of medicine in just a few hours. Pardon me while I go puke.

**SuperSport** · 07-02-2004, 06:34 PM

Just wanted to bump this so a friend can find it!

05-19-2004, 01:18 AM	#26
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05-19-2004, 01:28 AM	#27
MsteveM DC Q & A Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,968	just go to the gym! __________________ www.trueprotein.com www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/ "Those who do not beleive in the impossible, should not distract those who are already doing it" "if we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" Note: i'm not an expert, but i'm probably right. "Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine." - the skeptic's dictionary about urine therapy.

05-19-2004, 01:31 AM	#28
SuperSport Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carolina Beach, NC Posts: 2,358	LOL. If I get rigged up on oxygen at the gym all kinds of people will freak out. They freak now cause I wear spandex sometimes at the gym, lol. 1980's forever ! Nothin like being a trendsetter...lol. __________________ Admin@ http://www.proactivehealthnet.com " We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake" Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize Winner in Chemistry for inventing the Polymerase Chain Reaction "The fact is that you can not start off with bad science and end up with good medicine"

05-19-2004, 01:36 AM	#29
MsteveM DC Q & A Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,968	lol.. you'd go in there wearing your oxygen tank on the bike, go back the next day for your normal workout and see everyone else on bikes wearing oxygen tanks. i bet they'd try to kick you out. __________________ www.trueprotein.com www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/ "Those who do not beleive in the impossible, should not distract those who are already doing it" "if we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" Note: i'm not an expert, but i'm probably right. "Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine." - the skeptic's dictionary about urine therapy.

05-19-2004, 09:45 AM	#31
homonunculus Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 9,335	Hey Guys, Nice exchange! A few things... as I read along.... -Vinegar is actually acidic, not basic (acetic acid is the main component) -Acupuncture school takes 3 solid years... The training constitutes as many hours of instruction as an undegraduate degree, but there are no summers off... -I actually HAVE seen a guy working out in the gym wearing an oxygen tank. I was impressed as hell. -Randy __________________ NOW AVAILABLE: DAVE HENRY - XTREME MEASURES VIDEO!!! <<<WATCH THE TRAILER>>> -------- FOR THE ABSOLUTELY HIGHEST QUALITY SUPPLEMENTS...AT THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST PRICE... www.trueprotein.com

05-19-2004, 10:02 AM	#32
SuperSport Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carolina Beach, NC Posts: 2,358	Damn Randy...didn't realize Acupuncture school had that many hours. What kind of prerequisites are involved to get accepted?? I just may give the EWOT training a try......in the gym. __________________ Admin@ http://www.proactivehealthnet.com " We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake" Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize Winner in Chemistry for inventing the Polymerase Chain Reaction "The fact is that you can not start off with bad science and end up with good medicine"

05-19-2004, 11:24 AM	#33
MsteveM DC Q & A Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,968	darn.. i was hoping to get away with a year or 2. but that does make sense b/c there are tons of different sites, meridians, and different combinations of each. they probably make you learn alot of conceptual stuff along with the actual acupuncture. __________________ www.trueprotein.com www.proactivehealthnet.com/healthBB/ "Those who do not beleive in the impossible, should not distract those who are already doing it" "if we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?" Note: i'm not an expert, but i'm probably right. "Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine." - the skeptic's dictionary about urine therapy.

05-19-2004, 12:27 PM	#34
homonunculus Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 9,335	Fellas, Prereq's vary a bit depending on the school - from as little as 60 hr at the Jr. co. or college level (equiv. to an Associates degree) along with A & P, to a Batchelor's with damn near the same set of prereq's that are required by allopathic med. schools (physics, bio, o' chem, etc.) It's a pretty long program. You get well over a 1000 hr.s of clinical experience along the way. In many states (CA and FL, for example) you can serve as a primary care provider, just as an MD would. ITs being tossed around not to up the educational requirements even more, for this reason. Oriental medicine is all about learning a conceptual paradigm that is the basis for your diagnosis / pattern differentiation and choice of acupoints, herbs, bodywork, and many other modalities. The weekend courses that are offered for MD's etc., generally take the approach that a western diagnosis can be treated, for example, by using the acupoints that "treat" that disease. However, acupoints are not chosen / used based on a western diagnosis developed 1000's of years after the acupoint was discovered, or even simply by using a set of symptoms which corresponds to a particular western diagnosis. Oriental medicine functions under totally different principles. Someone with a headache, for instance, isn't treated necessarily from the perspective of a cerebral vasospasm that causes ischemia related pain or by simply using a analgesic approach (take an aspirin and call me in the morning). It could be due to stagnation of energy (not recognized by allopathic medicine in this sense) along the channels, deficiency of "blood," accumulation of damp or phlegm, rising of "yang" from the liver, etc. To be able to recognize, discern and appropriately treat within this paradigm takes a lifetime to learn (plus some). 3 years is just a drop in the bucket. The master's degree that makes you eligible for licensure is just enough to get ya going on training wheels... ;^) -Randy __________________ NOW AVAILABLE: DAVE HENRY - XTREME MEASURES VIDEO!!! <<<WATCH THE TRAILER>>> -------- FOR THE ABSOLUTELY HIGHEST QUALITY SUPPLEMENTS...AT THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST PRICE... www.trueprotein.com

05-19-2004, 01:52 PM	#35
SuperSport Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carolina Beach, NC Posts: 2,358	Randy- Thanks for the response. I have been hoping you would pop in for a sec or 2 and lay down some material most folks have never heard of before, lol. I have always been a fan of TCM/acupuncture as opposed to Allopathic measures. Very interesting post...I am familiar with all that you speak, but hopefully posts like this will ignite some interest among the board. The one thing you touched on briefly-and I have a good bit to post about this in the future-about western medicine's failure to recognize "biological energy" so to speak. If you can't view it under a microscope, detect it on x-ray, or find it in an abnormal blood test/biopsy-then conventional medicine says it doesn't exist. And worse yet...when the patients show up at the office with obvious complaints and "nothing is found" (because of the lack of diagnostic ability of the MD) then the patient is labeled "A neurotic" and likely sent to a psch doc. Calcifications on x-ray, abnormal lab tests, biopsy-these are LATE manifestations of disease. Disease processes begin much earlier-and are detectable by means used in Oriental medicine and others. Of course Randy knows where I am headed with this....lol. Something else that was interesting in Randy's post is the mentioning of MD's taking "crash" courses on weekends concerning acupuncture.....typical of our medical authorities to teach our health practioners an entire system of medicine in just a few hours. Pardon me while I go puke. __________________ Admin@ http://www.proactivehealthnet.com " We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake" Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize Winner in Chemistry for inventing the Polymerase Chain Reaction "The fact is that you can not start off with bad science and end up with good medicine"

07-02-2004, 06:34 PM	#36
SuperSport Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carolina Beach, NC Posts: 2,358	Just wanted to bump this so a friend can find it! __________________ Admin@ http://www.proactivehealthnet.com " We know that to err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake" Dr. Kary Mullis, Nobel Prize Winner in Chemistry for inventing the Polymerase Chain Reaction "The fact is that you can not start off with bad science and end up with good medicine"

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