Bash me please

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 04:57 AM

I need some advice, i'm getting some DNP to drop my bf % down a little, then i'm hitting the gym for about 4 more weeks. I have been lifting hard core on a keto diet for 3 months. I have lost 7 % of my bf, and gained about 10lbs in muscle mass. I am thinking of doing a simple cycle after the DNP with Sustanon 250 at 500mg/wk. any thoughts on this? I would really like a boost to get my going. I think a cycle of 4 weeks on, 4 off, 4 on would be good, any thoughts? what are yours thoughts with using sustanon vs test enth or similar?

pic is just me stand their. notice the marks on my stomach? i've been hard at work getting my body to look even this poor, it was much worse. i have lost about 25 lbs so far, and want to lose at least another 10 or so to get rid of my gut so i can build some nice abs and arm musles. i look like a big bone with fat on it eh?

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 05:01 AM

sdf;lk

**Ken "Skip" Hill** · 05-05-2004, 05:43 AM

Hmmm....

These type of posts are usually put up for entertainment value by guys with nothing better to do. However, I feel obligated to take you seriously and give you my opinion.

Do NOT touch DNP. To say it is dangerous stuff is an absolute understatement. I could understand taking the gamble if it would shed 20 pounds or so but it does not. It doesn't drop any more weight off of you than you could drop if you used a sound nutritional plan. You would be much better served by dieting and working it off.

Now, I am going to call a spade a spade here and tell you that simply judging by your pic, you have no idea at all what you are doing with training, diet, supplementation and almost certainly gear and things that can kill you like DNP. If you lose 10 pounds or so, you will still look like shit. You need to spend some time in the gym working hard and researching and learning about nutrition. You have certainly come to the right place as IM has more than enough info for you to reach your goals without resorting to using things like DNP.

It is a bit sad that you would reach for something so dangerous instead of spending the time and effort to do it safely and effectively with a little bit of persistence and determination.

I hope you hang around and take in as much info as you can, bro.

Skip

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 06:00 AM

so what do i do? i've got nutrition down, and i do bust my ass in the gym 5 days per week. i also do 30 mins+ of cardio a day.

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 06:02 AM

i did a lot of reading about dnp on http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside and it looks safe to me. can you support your idea?

Trapzilla · 05-05-2004, 07:17 AM

No offense Vapor but Skip is right...Looking at your pic I would also say that there are so many other things you could do to improve your physique before thinking about juice and esp DNP.
Not trying to flame ya or anything but you asked a question and you got a pretty good answer.,

PUMPED · 05-05-2004, 07:37 AM

I agree just not worth it.

You should REALLU post you diet that you follow EVERYDAY that would be a good start for guys to help you.

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 07:39 AM

Its 100% keto, i learned keto on bodybuilding.com's forums, and have been using it for about 3 months. before that i was a strict vegan. i just have this weird shape to my body, i don't get it, no matter what i do, i still have that shit on my stomach.

dpsquat · 05-05-2004, 08:25 AM

hey you seem to hve bases covered so go an do it!

ps tell me where to send the flowers too at your funeral..

**Heckman** · 05-05-2004, 08:59 AM

Anadrol · 05-05-2004, 09:07 AM

I would recommend a usual diet with alot of cardio.. doesn't matter if it takes longer, dnp is shit!

**homonunculus** · 05-05-2004, 09:41 AM

vapOr,

One of the greatest concerns w/ DNP is that a misdose by as little as 100% can cause death. (Would you take an aspirin for a headache if you knew that taking two would kill you?...) You will also feel like you're dying if you do a standard "cycle" with it.

If your diet is working, I would stick with it, BUT...

The major thing you're lacking is muscle mass. If you continue on a 100% keto diet, you will likely lose more muscle mass and, as Skip said, look even more drawn.

I would suggest adding carbs back into your diet slowly and attempting to add some muscle - at least for a couple months - before you diet down again.

As far as the gear, I don't think that's necessary at all right now. Spend at least a few years figuring out how your body works "unassisted" and bringing it closer to your natural genetic limits. THis will serve you well later when you are not training assisted.

Congrats on your fat loss so far!!! I can read the frustration in your post. Hang in there - it will take years (not weeks) to get where you want to be now (and even then, you may want to go further...).

-Randy

P.S. You might consider training with one of our online gurus - DoggCrapp or Skip. If you do as instructed, overwhelming success is pretty much 100% guaranteed.

rugbythug · 05-05-2004, 10:29 AM

It is obvious you do not have your nutrition "down" yet. You need to put on more muscle to fill out your "wierd" shaped body. You are not weird shaped at all IMO. You just lake shape. Ditch the 5 days a week and follow DC's training style for 6 months-the extra muscle will help you diet in the future.

HungarianBeast · 05-05-2004, 11:49 AM

LIFT AND EAT...that is all.

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 12:05 PM

dc's training style?

training with online gurus?

more info please. would you guys still rule out a very low dose testosterone only cycle for me? say 250mg per week to help me get bulking faster?

saturn · 05-05-2004, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vap0r
dc's training style?

training with online gurus?

more info please. would you guys still rule out a very low dose testosterone only cycle for me? say 250mg per week to help me get bulking faster?

Like everyone else said stay away from AAS for now. You really need to build a base first. DNP is a horrible idea. I've been at this for 20 years and I wouldn't risk DNP. There is a forum called "the dogg pound" here at IM where you can get info on traing and skip has a forum "Team Skip" where he helps clients in a private forum.

Anadrol · 05-05-2004, 12:17 PM

check out the dogg pound section...

How long have you been training?

I suggest that you take a couple of years and just eat, train and eat.. did I mention eat?

Then you can overweight using gear

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 12:34 PM

I have been eating well, and taking care of myself for the past 4 years. I have gained considerable strength, and lost a lot of fat. would supplements help me maybe? i have never used them before except for ECA stack for a little while during my weight loss. i am afraid that by eating more, i will gain my fat back, which i would rather die than have. i finaly got rid of most of it, but i do not know what to do now. my upper body doesn't seem to grow any bigger. my quads are huge, and my legs look great, but above the waist looks like hell to me. anyone willing to guide me a little along the way?

Anadrol · 05-05-2004, 12:39 PM

Protein powder may help a little.

When you bulk you will be gaining fat, but throw in a couple of HIIT now and then and you should be fine!

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 12:49 PM

HIIT? I can't really afford to gain any fat because I have worked so hard to lose what I had. Its a psychological thing if you know what I mean. Well, I don't know what the hell to do now. Any specific area's i should work on or isolate to get some gains by just plain old hard work lifting? no matter how much i have lifted, i can't seem to get my biceps to look any different. i looked through before and after pics on the forum and was amazed at what you guys do, i guess i just need to read some books or somehting, i don' tknow. i know about diet, and basic weight training, but i don't know what it is that i am missing. What will help? i saved up about $200 to spend on aas, so is there something i should get instead that will help me a lot, but be safer than aas/dnp?

Anadrol · 05-05-2004, 12:56 PM

HIIT - High Intensity Interval Training...

Food, training and sleep is the thing that make you grow.
Train as hard as you can, eat alot!, and sleep.

Maybe Skip can help ya..

HungarianBeast · 05-05-2004, 01:29 PM

Gaining of fat will not really be noticeable because you will be adding muscle as well. You will grow without appearing fatter. You will not just look fat. It is a very difficult barrier to get past. Many people that have been fat in the past have a difficult time "bulking". This term however does not mean "getting fat". Take your time. You will know when you are ready to train hard and eat enough to build that body. Stay away from AAS for a while until you have a nice "base" to build upon.

vap0r · 05-05-2004, 02:54 PM

what's a base? how much gains can i expect with this high intensity training?

**KidRok's Lady** · 05-05-2004, 04:13 PM

{KRL steps in to give the "womanly touch" }

You need to take that $200, go to trueprotein.com and order up a good mix. Don't worry about the calories because they are 'clean'. You will be working them off at the gym. You need the extra calories & carbs to lift more weight which will build the muscle. If you do not eat enough your body will go into emergency mode which is caused by prolonged carbohydrate deprivation that in turn cannibalizes your muscle mass.
This is why you've been asked for your diet.

And your workout - we're curious what you're doing. Is it the right workout for you?

Stick with this board for support.

Also, you need to re-read all the posts in this thread because I think that you are missing a lot of good advice.

How'm I doing Skip & KR?

Anadrol · 05-05-2004, 06:57 PM

you're doing good KRL!!!

05-05-2004, 04:57 AM	#1
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	Bash me please I need some advice, i'm getting some DNP to drop my bf % down a little, then i'm hitting the gym for about 4 more weeks. I have been lifting hard core on a keto diet for 3 months. I have lost 7 % of my bf, and gained about 10lbs in muscle mass. I am thinking of doing a simple cycle after the DNP with Sustanon 250 at 500mg/wk. any thoughts on this? I would really like a boost to get my going. I think a cycle of 4 weeks on, 4 off, 4 on would be good, any thoughts? what are yours thoughts with using sustanon vs test enth or similar? pic is just me stand their. notice the marks on my stomach? i've been hard at work getting my body to look even this poor, it was much worse. i have lost about 25 lbs so far, and want to lose at least another 10 or so to get rid of my gut so i can build some nice abs and arm musles. i look like a big bone with fat on it eh?

05-05-2004, 05:43 AM	#3
Ken "Skip" Hill Judge, Jury and Executioner Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 13,166	Hmmm.... These type of posts are usually put up for entertainment value by guys with nothing better to do. However, I feel obligated to take you seriously and give you my opinion. Do NOT touch DNP. To say it is dangerous stuff is an absolute understatement. I could understand taking the gamble if it would shed 20 pounds or so but it does not. It doesn't drop any more weight off of you than you could drop if you used a sound nutritional plan. You would be much better served by dieting and working it off. Now, I am going to call a spade a spade here and tell you that simply judging by your pic, you have no idea at all what you are doing with training, diet, supplementation and almost certainly gear and things that can kill you like DNP. If you lose 10 pounds or so, you will still look like shit. You need to spend some time in the gym working hard and researching and learning about nutrition. You have certainly come to the right place as IM has more than enough info for you to reach your goals without resorting to using things like DNP. It is a bit sad that you would reach for something so dangerous instead of spending the time and effort to do it safely and effectively with a little bit of persistence and determination. I hope you hang around and take in as much info as you can, bro. Skip __________________ Leaner, harder, fuller, tighter, drier, more shredded, more ripped, more detail, more knowledge and more experience - Call it what you like but call on me: TEAMSKIP@IntenseMuscle.com TEAM SKIP clients get their protein from only one place: TRUEPROTEIN.com. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." - Luke 12:48

05-05-2004, 07:17 AM	#6
Trapzilla New Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 72	No offense Vapor but Skip is right...Looking at your pic I would also say that there are so many other things you could do to improve your physique before thinking about juice and esp DNP. Not trying to flame ya or anything but you asked a question and you got a pretty good answer., __________________ What did the 5 fingers say to the face? Slap b*tch!!

05-05-2004, 07:37 AM	#7
PUMPED Intense Muscle Vet Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 411	I agree just not worth it. You should REALLU post you diet that you follow EVERYDAY that would be a good start for guys to help you. __________________ Information that PUMPED and IntenseMuscle presents is totally fictitious in nature and is presented for role playing purposes only. The opinions presented do not encourage the use of illegal substances nor take the place of professional medical advice.

05-05-2004, 08:59 AM	#10
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05-05-2004, 05:01 AM	#2
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	sdf;lk

05-05-2004, 06:00 AM	#4
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	so what do i do? i've got nutrition down, and i do bust my ass in the gym 5 days per week. i also do 30 mins+ of cardio a day.

05-05-2004, 06:02 AM	#5
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	i did a lot of reading about dnp on http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside and it looks safe to me. can you support your idea?

05-05-2004, 07:39 AM	#8
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	Its 100% keto, i learned keto on bodybuilding.com's forums, and have been using it for about 3 months. before that i was a strict vegan. i just have this weird shape to my body, i don't get it, no matter what i do, i still have that shit on my stomach.

05-05-2004, 08:25 AM	#9
dpsquat Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 185	hey you seem to hve bases covered so go an do it! ps tell me where to send the flowers too at your funeral..

05-05-2004, 09:07 AM	#11
Anadrol Super Ass-Clown Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 865	I would recommend a usual diet with alot of cardio.. doesn't matter if it takes longer, dnp is shit!

05-05-2004, 09:41 AM	#12
homonunculus Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 9,335	vapOr, One of the greatest concerns w/ DNP is that a misdose by as little as 100% can cause death. (Would you take an aspirin for a headache if you knew that taking two would kill you?...) You will also feel like you're dying if you do a standard "cycle" with it. If your diet is working, I would stick with it, BUT... The major thing you're lacking is muscle mass. If you continue on a 100% keto diet, you will likely lose more muscle mass and, as Skip said, look even more drawn. I would suggest adding carbs back into your diet slowly and attempting to add some muscle - at least for a couple months - before you diet down again. As far as the gear, I don't think that's necessary at all right now. Spend at least a few years figuring out how your body works "unassisted" and bringing it closer to your natural genetic limits. THis will serve you well later when you are not training assisted. Congrats on your fat loss so far!!! I can read the frustration in your post. Hang in there - it will take years (not weeks) to get where you want to be now (and even then, you may want to go further...). -Randy P.S. You might consider training with one of our online gurus - DoggCrapp or Skip. If you do as instructed, overwhelming success is pretty much 100% guaranteed. __________________ NOW AVAILABLE: DAVE HENRY - XTREME MEASURES VIDEO!!! <<<WATCH THE TRAILER>>> -------- FOR THE ABSOLUTELY HIGHEST QUALITY SUPPLEMENTS...AT THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST PRICE... www.trueprotein.com

05-05-2004, 10:29 AM	#13
rugbythug Middleweight Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 578	It is obvious you do not have your nutrition "down" yet. You need to put on more muscle to fill out your "wierd" shaped body. You are not weird shaped at all IMO. You just lake shape. Ditch the 5 days a week and follow DC's training style for 6 months-the extra muscle will help you diet in the future. __________________ Log Book PIMP! It ain't a crime if it likes it!

05-05-2004, 11:49 AM	#14
HungarianBeast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 108	LIFT AND EAT...that is all. __________________ Save the carrots, be a carnivore. superMOD@www.precisionmuscle.org Vet@fitnessgeared.com www.clept.com

05-05-2004, 12:05 PM	#15
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	dc's training style? training with online gurus? more info please. would you guys still rule out a very low dose testosterone only cycle for me? say 250mg per week to help me get bulking faster?

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05-05-2004, 12:17 PM	#17
Anadrol Super Ass-Clown Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 865	check out the dogg pound section... How long have you been training? I suggest that you take a couple of years and just eat, train and eat.. did I mention eat? Then you can overweight using gear

05-05-2004, 12:34 PM	#18
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	I have been eating well, and taking care of myself for the past 4 years. I have gained considerable strength, and lost a lot of fat. would supplements help me maybe? i have never used them before except for ECA stack for a little while during my weight loss. i am afraid that by eating more, i will gain my fat back, which i would rather die than have. i finaly got rid of most of it, but i do not know what to do now. my upper body doesn't seem to grow any bigger. my quads are huge, and my legs look great, but above the waist looks like hell to me. anyone willing to guide me a little along the way?

05-05-2004, 12:39 PM	#19
Anadrol Super Ass-Clown Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 865	Protein powder may help a little. When you bulk you will be gaining fat, but throw in a couple of HIIT now and then and you should be fine!

05-05-2004, 12:49 PM	#20
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	HIIT? I can't really afford to gain any fat because I have worked so hard to lose what I had. Its a psychological thing if you know what I mean. Well, I don't know what the hell to do now. Any specific area's i should work on or isolate to get some gains by just plain old hard work lifting? no matter how much i have lifted, i can't seem to get my biceps to look any different. i looked through before and after pics on the forum and was amazed at what you guys do, i guess i just need to read some books or somehting, i don' tknow. i know about diet, and basic weight training, but i don't know what it is that i am missing. What will help? i saved up about $200 to spend on aas, so is there something i should get instead that will help me a lot, but be safer than aas/dnp?

05-05-2004, 12:56 PM	#21
Anadrol Super Ass-Clown Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 865	HIIT - High Intensity Interval Training... Food, training and sleep is the thing that make you grow. Train as hard as you can, eat alot!, and sleep. Maybe Skip can help ya..

05-05-2004, 01:29 PM	#22
HungarianBeast Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 108	Gaining of fat will not really be noticeable because you will be adding muscle as well. You will grow without appearing fatter. You will not just look fat. It is a very difficult barrier to get past. Many people that have been fat in the past have a difficult time "bulking". This term however does not mean "getting fat". Take your time. You will know when you are ready to train hard and eat enough to build that body. Stay away from AAS for a while until you have a nice "base" to build upon. __________________ Save the carrots, be a carnivore. superMOD@www.precisionmuscle.org Vet@fitnessgeared.com www.clept.com

05-05-2004, 02:54 PM	#23
vap0r Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 12	what's a base? how much gains can i expect with this high intensity training?

05-05-2004, 04:13 PM	#24
KidRok's Lady Hottie Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CNY Posts: 2,559	{KRL steps in to give the "womanly touch" } You need to take that $200, go to trueprotein.com and order up a good mix. Don't worry about the calories because they are 'clean'. You will be working them off at the gym. You need the extra calories & carbs to lift more weight which will build the muscle. If you do not eat enough your body will go into emergency mode which is caused by prolonged carbohydrate deprivation that in turn cannibalizes your muscle mass. This is why you've been asked for your diet. And your workout - we're curious what you're doing. Is it the right workout for you? Stick with this board for support. Also, you need to re-read all the posts in this thread because I think that you are missing a lot of good advice. How'm I doing Skip & KR? __________________ Kid's Wench and Bon-Bon's sis Ask me about FitnessXLOnline.com www.TrueProtein.com *use FXL222 for a discount on your 1st purchase

05-05-2004, 06:57 PM	#25
Anadrol Super Ass-Clown Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 865	you're doing good KRL!!!

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