Im kind of stuck here with all this

**Doggcrapp** · 08-03-2006, 02:45 PM

There is alot I could write about for advanced trainers and every time I start, I stop. And the reason is, the basic way Ive set everything up here is to bring people to the "advanced level" as quickly as possible. I know if I start talking about what I do with advanced guys, alot of ego's will start churning and people will start thinking "well im advanced too!"
I see guys in here weighing 170lbs asking why their chest and arms wont grow. Heres the most likely reason. YOUR 170LBS at 6 foot tall!!!! Your not supposed to have 20 inch arms and huge pecs at 170lbs. Do you think your idol Arnold at 235-240lbs onstage with huge guns and pecs would of had huge guns and pecs at 170lbs? No that means 65-70lbs less muscle mass on him and he would of looked like......well....like YOU!
Im pretty good with basic human nature. And if I say "here do this, this will bring you from 150 to 225 the quickest way I know possible" to a beginner to intermediate bodybuilder, and then say "ok lets do this, with a highly advanced bodybuilder"....what path do you think that beginner to intermediate bodybuilder is going to take? He is going to follow the advanced guys routine because thats what he wants to be like.
Alot of the guys I train in this forum who are highly advanced that I put on that 3 way split (4 day a week) program....with unique adjustments I do for that specific individual, end up saying the same thing to me in emails. "Dante I see why you dont tell those guys in the dogg pound about this stuff, it would just get screwed up beyond belief"
Look at the guys who come in this forum lately and pretty much do their own thing even though Ive laid it out to them how you go about all this. All I hear of late is "hybrid, tweaking, adding" etc. And thats with the basic way of doing things. Now what do you think is going to happen if I tell you what I have the Pro's and nationals/usa guys I train do?

"Newbiebodybuilder Chippy Walker": "oh hey Dante Ill add that to my regimen too even though im only 182lbs and been lifting for 2.5 years!"

Maybe I have a different way of looking at things than alot of the guys reading my stuff. Ive always looked at things as a long term plan, and Ive noticed even with the guys I train that alot of them look at things from a "this past 2 weeks, this week, or even "TODAYS WORKOUT" plan. If you gain 20-25lbs of muscle mass this year, thats amazing and you should hang your head high with pride. But that didnt happen in one workout--that takes a year! Thats 150 to 200 workouts strung together with progressive training and progressive eating and cardio to tie up lose ends, not "TODAYS WORKOUT"

My basic plan is

a)take you from the run of the mill lifter you are today and turn you into an advanced bodybuilder the absolutely quickest way possible

b)that doesnt happen in 5 weeks. Thats a 2 to 3 year plan usually and if you think you can turn yourself into a 3.5 LBS per inch of height lean bodybuilder in the next couple months, your sadly misinformed and no wonder alot of you guys are jumping back and forth from routine to routine and are so clusterfucked in the head you dont know what the hell your doing.

c)Once i get you up to that advanced muscle mass size....and thats all Im asking for, 2-3 years of your time, that aint much when you consider all the people around you in the gym who have been slaving away at it for 10-15 years.... and most of them you would of never thought touched a weight in their life walking down the street. Is that going to be you? Are you the guy who 10 years from now is in the gym and nobody knows in everyday life that you even lift unless you make it a point to tell them you do? (embarrasing)

d)So you can fast track this and get there quickly (where were you as a bodybuilder 2-3 years ago, thats not so long ago now is it?) or you can longtrack this and take the next 8-10 years of lifting and try to become something special by worrying about the little things (slightly weaker bodyparts) on the way up to becoming a big thing (advanced bodybuilder).

e)Again once I get you there, where you have a great deal of muscle mass accumalated and yes you might have some weaker bodyparts than others but you are definitely carrying alot more muscle mass than the next guy....we get down and brutal and start grinding out some unique ideas to get those weaker bodyparts caught up with everything else.

Alot of you guys try to ride off on the horse before it starts even pulling the cart. YOU WANT IT NOW! Well in that confused overanalyzing hyperactive quest to "get it NOW" you might be setting yourself back as far as how advanced you could become as a bodybuilder timewise. I personally hate accomplishing something in 5 years when I knew I could of done it in 2.5 There are alot of things I did when I started out that I wish to god I could get that time back.....because I honestly waisted YEARS not months, YEARS of productive building time by trying to disect this stuff with an electron microscope when a sledgehammer would of done the trick.

There are alot of local bodybuilders who I trained before I started training people online who I see now and then at the gym or around the San Diego area, and they actually listened to me when they were beginning or intermediate bodybuilders...they did exactly what I told them to do because I guess in person Im a little more convincing than words on a webpage online. And now they are advanced bodybuilders and I still hear some of them say "thanks for helping me Dante" or "thanks for getting my head on straight with this stuff"

I take pride knowing that I helped them "not waste valuable time", years if you will. I also saw how the visual side of this sport is all encompassing to people. Some of these guy's freinds scoffed at the training they were doing, you know the same old "not enough sets, you need to do cable crossovers for the inner pec bro, what about burnout sets?) bullshit. When these same guys started flying by their compadres and co-workers guess who were the first people spreading rumors of "juicing" or came running asking them questions "tell me what your doing bro, your getting swole!"

As you can tell of late ive been getting very frustrated with all this crap, because I keep wanting to shake some sense into alot of the people that come into this forum and say to them "I am trying to help you here, and your fighting against me"...so my attitude has changed somewhat to "well Ive done all I can do, if all the pictures, posts, and examples Ive left over the last 6 years proving this out to you, doesnt mean anything, then screw it....do your own thing then"
One of you emailed me and asked why I wasnt correcting people in the pound anymore on various threads. Why? Because I really dont feel I have to anymore...it is what it is. I dont need to and dont want to try to convince people anymore. Do what you want to do training wise. With my methods, either do it and do it right or do something else.
So you guys see my dilemna here, I put alot of stuff out in the open the last 6 years and you see the arguments and how completely screwed up it gets, with people doing hybrids and adding, whatever. If i talk about new stuff Im doing, my headache gets 10x of what it is right now.

**Doggcrapp** · 08-03-2006, 02:59 PM

Basically what Im saying, is I want to quit all this and run to Las Vegas and become a showgirl

dellsguy67 · 08-03-2006, 03:01 PM

damn...great thread dante. what is unfortunate is this is about the 6th version of this type of post in the last 8 months. i would love to know how many people come into this site to learn the program, and they tweak it into a hybrid, they don't turn into arnold, and they move along because they refused to listen and trust the info

Jerzey · 08-03-2006, 03:01 PM

Good post!

i see alot of guys on other boards DC'ing it but 1/2 thier WO is made up by them and they still call it DC....then they bitch it doesnt work...no shit cause it wasnt DC

Currently i am doing the basic DC routine and yes i added my own thing twice for a type of trial and error and what i learned is dont screw with what works
i started DC 1 month ago all my weights are up and i have put on size...it works plain and simple and i am one of those 170lbs guys(179) but my goal isnt to be 250lbs of soild muscle 190-200 i would be happy with and i know it takes time

you desreve a big THANK YOU for even shareing this info with us!

oh and Vegas is nice this time of year..but i dont know what kind of club you would work at BIG girls arent in season here!!!

rockdaddy · 08-03-2006, 03:02 PM

me likey D's post above. lots.

rockdaddy · 08-03-2006, 03:03 PM

dante, u don't have big enough man-undies to hold all the dollar bills you'd get in vegas as a showgirl...u'd have to truck a wheel-barrow in with you.

dellsguy67 · 08-03-2006, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerzey

Good post!

i see alot of guys on other boards DC'ing it but 1/2 thier WO is made up by them and they still call it DC....then they bitch it doesnt work...no shit cause it wasnt DC

Currently i am doing the basic DC routine and yes i added my own thing twice for a type of trial and error and what i learned is dont screw with what works
i started DC 1 month ago all my weights are up and i have put on size...it works plain and simple and i am one of those 170lbs guys(179) but my goal isnt to be 250lbs of soild muscle 190-200 i would be happy with and i know it takes time

:

ya, but for how long will it work? when you aren't able to make 10 and 20 pound leaps each workout, and the hybrid program is hurting your gains....why???

there are a ton of people who say they are doing DC, but they are still holding onto their previous "needs and ideas" with training because they refuse to accept it as it is.

for me personally, i am hitting a point where i'm surpassing any strength levels i've had before, and progressing in weight is REALLY hard. i can't imagine adding or changing anything outside of what i'm already doing

jesus rocks · 08-03-2006, 03:08 PM

I'm going to vegas to be a juggling showgirl

Badman · 08-03-2006, 03:08 PM

Poor Dante..... You need a long vacation.

jesus rocks · 08-03-2006, 03:11 PM

I'm going to vegas to be a juggling showgirl

Sorry if I ever made you feel like this

IronBrendan · 08-03-2006, 03:16 PM

Just when dells was asking to bring back the great threads we get a gem right here.

Great post Dante.

whtewolf1 · 08-03-2006, 03:25 PM

now thats funny rocks rofl

marlon · 08-03-2006, 03:30 PM

Good post dante

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whtewolf1 · 08-03-2006, 03:38 PM

As always Dante your words of wisdom are viewed as threads of fine gold sir. WE ALL appreciate the time you give this forum. thanks millions.

rws · 08-03-2006, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesus rocks

I'm going to vegas to be a juggling showgirl

You know what dude.... D took time out of his busy schedule to write a well thought out post so you new comers will understand his "method of madness".... You have one of the best trainers out there WILLING to give you advice free and all you can do is make smart ass remarks? Shut the fuck up and listen for a change.....

Future · 08-03-2006, 03:52 PM

I understand.

dellsguy67 · 08-03-2006, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Maybe I have a different way of looking at things than alot of the guys reading my stuff. Ive always looked at things as a long term plan, and Ive noticed even with the guys I train that alot of them look at things from a "this past 2 weeks, this week, or even "TODAYS WORKOUT" plan. If you gain 20-25lbs of muscle mass this year, thats amazing and you should hang your head high with pride. But that didnt happen in one workout--that takes a year! Thats 150 to 200 workouts strung together with progressive training and progressive eating and cardio to tie up lose ends, not "TODAYS WORKOUT"

i think this is the best part of the post. i have thanked sniffy numerous times for helping my thinking in my quest for my goals, and he once said:

I THINK WE NEED TO ADD SOME REALISM CAPSULES TO YOUR SUPPLEMENT STACK. YOU WANT TO WALK A FINE LINE OF GAINING MUSCLE WHILE LOSING FAT WHILE BEING AT THE HIGHER END OF BEING AN ENDO-MESO. JUDGING FROM YOUR PICS YOU ARE A YEAR LONG PROJECT SO YOU ARE GOING TO GO INSANE LOOKING FOR RESULTS ON A DAILY BASIS.

it is a project to reach a goal like we are all chasing. the sooner you can think in terms of each workout, each meal, each night's sleep etc being the small part of the large picture, you will be much less anxious about everything, and the progress begins to happen

a-bomb83 · 08-03-2006, 04:16 PM

very good post dude.

cam89 · 08-03-2006, 04:22 PM

Good post Dante

KnowNothingGuy · 08-03-2006, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doggcrapp

Thats 150 to 200 workouts strung together with progressive training and progressive eating and cardio to tie up lose ends, not "TODAYS WORKOUT"

WHAT I CAN'T GAIN 20-25LBS OF MUSCLE IN ONE WORKOUT???? I AM OUT OF HERE THEN. I thought DC training was suppost make me into a HUGE bodybuilder over night and now your telling me I have to work at it??? THAT'S NOT WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR.

firedrake · 08-03-2006, 04:27 PM

Dante,

I can understand your frustration. I approached you last year, and you told me, quite honestly, that with my injuries, DC training with you would not be appropriate. I took that in good grace, but have been applying your principles to my own workouts and abilities with a good deal of success. It's difficult, even for me at age 52, to accept that I'm not nearly as "hardcore" as I'd like to be or than I used to be, before injuries messed up my back and legs. I -can- however work as hard as I can, and glean much from your and other peoples' words, and I do, and it's helped.

What you must not do is worry about the people who refuse to hear or understand you. You have a demonstrated series of successes, and all of us want to see ourselves as successes, but all-too-frequently don't want to be told "not yet." While it's commendable to want to pursue your dream as hard as possible, one needs to pay attention to what works and to try not to make the mistakes others have made. If they don't listen, Dante, IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM.

Spend your time where it's valued and appreciated . . . and listened to.

Osmg95 · 08-03-2006, 04:46 PM

What's so confusing to me is why would anyone try to modify the DC methodology? It seems to me that if you're advanced enough to train DC style, then you've already found out what doesn't work. I've been lifting on and off for 15+ years (more off than I want to admit). I've made some good gains this year but in the past two months of strick DC training (absolutley no modifications), I've accomplished some of the most solid gains in my life. I'm not an expert and I don't have the experience that Dante does in training advanced bbers. So I stick with the program and follow it to the letter. I don't go to my attorney and ask for legal advice or my accountant for tax advice and then try to "tweak" it! Everyone has their own expertise. You should be very thankful that Dante is open and willing to share years of his expertise with us without trying to come up with your own hybrid program. Perhaps if you've trained as many pros and amatures as he, then do what you want.

I on the other hand am intelligent enough to know I don't know shit....but I know who does.
I do hope that Dante realizes that many of us do follow his advice completely and appreciate this greatly. You can't worry about everyone. As a "teacher" you'll never have 100% of the people following your training without modifying it or questioning it. It's human nature. Focus on those who are ready to follow.

MoGeaYuglay · 08-03-2006, 04:50 PM

it needed to be said, and you said it, Dante.

like rws said, alot of you guys who are belittling Dante need to just stfu and listen. His methods are proven to work (look at the trainee thread FFS) and yet you guys bite the hand that feeds you, what gives? You get upset that he isn't giving away the "secrets" to getting hyoooge, but that's the funny thing: there are no "secrets" you eat almost like a sumo wrestler, train like a powerlifter to get as strong as you can and as fast as you can, and do enough cardio and diet tweaks to freeze the fat gains as best as you can. The advanced "secret" stuff is stuff newer guys, even myself (i've been lifting about 7-8 years now), shouldn't even bother worrying about, because at our point in the game, it's a moot point.

MindOverMuscle · 08-03-2006, 05:00 PM

I say make this a sticky! That way maybe 1 out of every 10 new guys will read it and 1 out of 10 of those who read it will hopefully get the point.

I know the noob-fest is tough for you to watch, but remember that there are a lot of guys who are reading your posts and applying your principles without posting a bunch of threads asking every question that pops into their heads.

It's just that the guys who quietly get it done aren't as visible on the forum, but we're here and we DO appreciate all that you've given us.

08-03-2006, 02:45 PM	#1
Doggcrapp Super Moderator/Roundtable Expert Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,986	Im kind of stuck here with all this There is alot I could write about for advanced trainers and every time I start, I stop. And the reason is, the basic way Ive set everything up here is to bring people to the "advanced level" as quickly as possible. I know if I start talking about what I do with advanced guys, alot of ego's will start churning and people will start thinking "well im advanced too!" I see guys in here weighing 170lbs asking why their chest and arms wont grow. Heres the most likely reason. YOUR 170LBS at 6 foot tall!!!! Your not supposed to have 20 inch arms and huge pecs at 170lbs. Do you think your idol Arnold at 235-240lbs onstage with huge guns and pecs would of had huge guns and pecs at 170lbs? No that means 65-70lbs less muscle mass on him and he would of looked like......well....like YOU! Im pretty good with basic human nature. And if I say "here do this, this will bring you from 150 to 225 the quickest way I know possible" to a beginner to intermediate bodybuilder, and then say "ok lets do this, with a highly advanced bodybuilder"....what path do you think that beginner to intermediate bodybuilder is going to take? He is going to follow the advanced guys routine because thats what he wants to be like. Alot of the guys I train in this forum who are highly advanced that I put on that 3 way split (4 day a week) program....with unique adjustments I do for that specific individual, end up saying the same thing to me in emails. "Dante I see why you dont tell those guys in the dogg pound about this stuff, it would just get screwed up beyond belief" Look at the guys who come in this forum lately and pretty much do their own thing even though Ive laid it out to them how you go about all this. All I hear of late is "hybrid, tweaking, adding" etc. And thats with the basic way of doing things. Now what do you think is going to happen if I tell you what I have the Pro's and nationals/usa guys I train do? "Newbiebodybuilder Chippy Walker": "oh hey Dante Ill add that to my regimen too even though im only 182lbs and been lifting for 2.5 years!" Maybe I have a different way of looking at things than alot of the guys reading my stuff. Ive always looked at things as a long term plan, and Ive noticed even with the guys I train that alot of them look at things from a "this past 2 weeks, this week, or even "TODAYS WORKOUT" plan. If you gain 20-25lbs of muscle mass this year, thats amazing and you should hang your head high with pride. But that didnt happen in one workout--that takes a year! Thats 150 to 200 workouts strung together with progressive training and progressive eating and cardio to tie up lose ends, not "TODAYS WORKOUT" My basic plan is a)take you from the run of the mill lifter you are today and turn you into an advanced bodybuilder the absolutely quickest way possible b)that doesnt happen in 5 weeks. Thats a 2 to 3 year plan usually and if you think you can turn yourself into a 3.5 LBS per inch of height lean bodybuilder in the next couple months, your sadly misinformed and no wonder alot of you guys are jumping back and forth from routine to routine and are so clusterfucked in the head you dont know what the hell your doing. c)Once i get you up to that advanced muscle mass size....and thats all Im asking for, 2-3 years of your time, that aint much when you consider all the people around you in the gym who have been slaving away at it for 10-15 years.... and most of them you would of never thought touched a weight in their life walking down the street. Is that going to be you? Are you the guy who 10 years from now is in the gym and nobody knows in everyday life that you even lift unless you make it a point to tell them you do? (embarrasing) d)So you can fast track this and get there quickly (where were you as a bodybuilder 2-3 years ago, thats not so long ago now is it?) or you can longtrack this and take the next 8-10 years of lifting and try to become something special by worrying about the little things (slightly weaker bodyparts) on the way up to becoming a big thing (advanced bodybuilder). e)Again once I get you there, where you have a great deal of muscle mass accumalated and yes you might have some weaker bodyparts than others but you are definitely carrying alot more muscle mass than the next guy....we get down and brutal and start grinding out some unique ideas to get those weaker bodyparts caught up with everything else. Alot of you guys try to ride off on the horse before it starts even pulling the cart. YOU WANT IT NOW! Well in that confused overanalyzing hyperactive quest to "get it NOW" you might be setting yourself back as far as how advanced you could become as a bodybuilder timewise. I personally hate accomplishing something in 5 years when I knew I could of done it in 2.5 There are alot of things I did when I started out that I wish to god I could get that time back.....because I honestly waisted YEARS not months, YEARS of productive building time by trying to disect this stuff with an electron microscope when a sledgehammer would of done the trick. There are alot of local bodybuilders who I trained before I started training people online who I see now and then at the gym or around the San Diego area, and they actually listened to me when they were beginning or intermediate bodybuilders...they did exactly what I told them to do because I guess in person Im a little more convincing than words on a webpage online. And now they are advanced bodybuilders and I still hear some of them say "thanks for helping me Dante" or "thanks for getting my head on straight with this stuff" I take pride knowing that I helped them "not waste valuable time", years if you will. I also saw how the visual side of this sport is all encompassing to people. Some of these guy's freinds scoffed at the training they were doing, you know the same old "not enough sets, you need to do cable crossovers for the inner pec bro, what about burnout sets?) bullshit. When these same guys started flying by their compadres and co-workers guess who were the first people spreading rumors of "juicing" or came running asking them questions "tell me what your doing bro, your getting swole!" As you can tell of late ive been getting very frustrated with all this crap, because I keep wanting to shake some sense into alot of the people that come into this forum and say to them "I am trying to help you here, and your fighting against me"...so my attitude has changed somewhat to "well Ive done all I can do, if all the pictures, posts, and examples Ive left over the last 6 years proving this out to you, doesnt mean anything, then screw it....do your own thing then" One of you emailed me and asked why I wasnt correcting people in the pound anymore on various threads. Why? Because I really dont feel I have to anymore...it is what it is. I dont need to and dont want to try to convince people anymore. Do what you want to do training wise. With my methods, either do it and do it right or do something else. So you guys see my dilemna here, I put alot of stuff out in the open the last 6 years and you see the arguments and how completely screwed up it gets, with people doing hybrids and adding, whatever. If i talk about new stuff Im doing, my headache gets 10x of what it is right now. __________________ For Online Training Inquiries please contact DC@cyber-rights.net http://www.trueprotein.com-the highest quality at the rock bottom lowest price Want to create your own supplement line? We can create any product you desire (powders, capsules, dieting aids, testosterone boosters, proteins, you name it, we can make it for you.) Serious inquiries only please (supplements are usually at least 250 bottle minimum, protein 100 jug minimum) just email Carl@trueprotein.com Last edited by Doggcrapp : 08-03-2006 at 02:54 PM.

08-03-2006, 03:01 PM	#3
dellsguy67 Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,163	damn...great thread dante. what is unfortunate is this is about the 6th version of this type of post in the last 8 months. i would love to know how many people come into this site to learn the program, and they tweak it into a hybrid, they don't turn into arnold, and they move along because they refused to listen and trust the info __________________ To save 5% on your TrueProtein.com purchase, use discount code: DAS235 -------------------------------------- SUCCESS = CONSISTENCY X TIME - Sniffy54 -------------------------------------- "Consistency can take you a log way" - Homonunculus

08-03-2006, 03:01 PM	#4
Jerzey Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 777	Good post! i see alot of guys on other boards DC'ing it but 1/2 thier WO is made up by them and they still call it DC....then they bitch it doesnt work...no shit cause it wasnt DC Currently i am doing the basic DC routine and yes i added my own thing twice for a type of trial and error and what i learned is dont screw with what works i started DC 1 month ago all my weights are up and i have put on size...it works plain and simple and i am one of those 170lbs guys(179) but my goal isnt to be 250lbs of soild muscle 190-200 i would be happy with and i know it takes time you desreve a big THANK YOU for even shareing this info with us! oh and Vegas is nice this time of year..but i dont know what kind of club you would work at BIG girls arent in season here!!! Last edited by Jerzey : 08-04-2006 at 04:41 PM.

08-03-2006, 03:02 PM	#5
rockdaddy Middleweight Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 696	me likey D's post above. lots. __________________ "Do you really think that eating 3000 calories with 225 grams of protein and doing the Weider 'confusion training principle' to keep your body offguard will somehow magically make your 175lbs into 250lbs of rock granite monstrosity? ...Get your act together and think this all out or quit your complaining and dreaming and take up tennis." -Dante New to the art that is DoggCrapp? This thread should get you started: http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=16023

08-03-2006, 03:03 PM	#6
rockdaddy Middleweight Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 696	dante, u don't have big enough man-undies to hold all the dollar bills you'd get in vegas as a showgirl...u'd have to truck a wheel-barrow in with you. __________________ "Do you really think that eating 3000 calories with 225 grams of protein and doing the Weider 'confusion training principle' to keep your body offguard will somehow magically make your 175lbs into 250lbs of rock granite monstrosity? ...Get your act together and think this all out or quit your complaining and dreaming and take up tennis." -Dante New to the art that is DoggCrapp? This thread should get you started: http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=16023

08-03-2006, 03:08 PM	#8
jesus rocks Heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: With Mrs. JR trying to find good deals on meat Posts: 2,198	hey I'm going to vegas to be a juggling showgirl

08-03-2006, 03:08 PM	#9
Badman Heavyweight Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wherever God tells me to go... Posts: 2,075	Poor Dante..... You need a long vacation. __________________ TrueProtein.com Discount Code: JYN925 The Reaper is always one step behind me..... ( I don't die)

08-03-2006, 03:11 PM	#10
jesus rocks Heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: With Mrs. JR trying to find good deals on meat Posts: 2,198	hey I'm going to vegas to be a juggling showgirl Sorry if I ever made you feel like this

08-03-2006, 03:16 PM	#11
IronBrendan Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: University of Florida Posts: 6,820	Just when dells was asking to bring back the great threads we get a gem right here. Great post Dante. __________________ "Intensity is finite, volume is finite, weights are infinite." - DC "Everyone seems to think having a strict diet is hardcore. Wrong! It’s so easy. There is no strain or effort. You just follow the damn diet! Hardcore is stuffing your face to the point where you feel like you’re going to pop and then going to get a milkshake." --Dave "Fuckin'" Tate Get 5% OFF at trueprotein.com with Discount Code: BTR777 Formerly El_Animal

08-03-2006, 03:25 PM	#12
whtewolf1 Heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: panhandle of Texas Posts: 1,004	now thats funny rocks rofl

08-03-2006, 03:30 PM	#13
marlon Lightweight Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 295	Good post dante .

08-03-2006, 03:38 PM	#14
whtewolf1 Heavyweight Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: panhandle of Texas Posts: 1,004	As always Dante your words of wisdom are viewed as threads of fine gold sir. WE ALL appreciate the time you give this forum. thanks millions.

08-03-2006, 03:52 PM	#16
Future Super-heavyweight Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,853	I understand. __________________ Team Skip Client

08-03-2006, 04:16 PM	#18
a-bomb83 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 100	very good post dude.

08-03-2006, 04:22 PM	#19
cam89 Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 453	Good post Dante

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08-03-2006, 04:27 PM	#21
firedrake Bantamweight Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: California Posts: 108	Dante, I can understand your frustration. I approached you last year, and you told me, quite honestly, that with my injuries, DC training with you would not be appropriate. I took that in good grace, but have been applying your principles to my own workouts and abilities with a good deal of success. It's difficult, even for me at age 52, to accept that I'm not nearly as "hardcore" as I'd like to be or than I used to be, before injuries messed up my back and legs. I -can- however work as hard as I can, and glean much from your and other peoples' words, and I do, and it's helped. What you must not do is worry about the people who refuse to hear or understand you. You have a demonstrated series of successes, and all of us want to see ourselves as successes, but all-too-frequently don't want to be told "not yet." While it's commendable to want to pursue your dream as hard as possible, one needs to pay attention to what works and to try not to make the mistakes others have made. If they don't listen, Dante, IT'S NOT YOUR PROBLEM. Spend your time where it's valued and appreciated . . . and listened to.

08-03-2006, 04:46 PM	#22
Osmg95 Bantamweight Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 127	What's so confusing to me is why would anyone try to modify the DC methodology? It seems to me that if you're advanced enough to train DC style, then you've already found out what doesn't work. I've been lifting on and off for 15+ years (more off than I want to admit). I've made some good gains this year but in the past two months of strick DC training (absolutley no modifications), I've accomplished some of the most solid gains in my life. I'm not an expert and I don't have the experience that Dante does in training advanced bbers. So I stick with the program and follow it to the letter. I don't go to my attorney and ask for legal advice or my accountant for tax advice and then try to "tweak" it! Everyone has their own expertise. You should be very thankful that Dante is open and willing to share years of his expertise with us without trying to come up with your own hybrid program. Perhaps if you've trained as many pros and amatures as he, then do what you want. I on the other hand am intelligent enough to know I don't know shit....but I know who does. I do hope that Dante realizes that many of us do follow his advice completely and appreciate this greatly. You can't worry about everyone. As a "teacher" you'll never have 100% of the people following your training without modifying it or questioning it. It's human nature. Focus on those who are ready to follow. Last edited by Osmg95 : 08-03-2006 at 04:52 PM.

08-03-2006, 04:50 PM	#23
MoGeaYuglay Middleweight Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 670	it needed to be said, and you said it, Dante. like rws said, alot of you guys who are belittling Dante need to just stfu and listen. His methods are proven to work (look at the trainee thread FFS) and yet you guys bite the hand that feeds you, what gives? You get upset that he isn't giving away the "secrets" to getting hyoooge, but that's the funny thing: there are no "secrets" you eat almost like a sumo wrestler, train like a powerlifter to get as strong as you can and as fast as you can, and do enough cardio and diet tweaks to freeze the fat gains as best as you can. The advanced "secret" stuff is stuff newer guys, even myself (i've been lifting about 7-8 years now), shouldn't even bother worrying about, because at our point in the game, it's a moot point.

08-03-2006, 05:00 PM	#24
MindOverMuscle Light-heavyweight Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,221	I say make this a sticky! That way maybe 1 out of every 10 new guys will read it and 1 out of 10 of those who read it will hopefully get the point. I know the noob-fest is tough for you to watch, but remember that there are a lot of guys who are reading your posts and applying your principles without posting a bunch of threads asking every question that pops into their heads. It's just that the guys who quietly get it done aren't as visible on the forum, but we're here and we DO appreciate all that you've given us. __________________ "Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit." - Aristotle